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Health Advice for Young Women Headed to College! with Dr. Mira Sinha, MD

Dr. Mira Sinha, a board-certified family physician in Redwood City, shares her insights and advice on various medical topics for young women embarking on independence and college. These are all the things we wish we knew before heading to college! She emphasizes the importance of self-care, staying safe, and knowing when to seek help. Dr. Sinha explains the differences between acetaminophen and ibuprofen, and provides guidance on choosing the right medication for hangovers and cold symptoms. She also discusses when it is necessary to see a doctor for various symptoms and offers recommendations for different healthcare options. In this episode, Nadia and Alyssa discuss accessing healthcare in college and the challenges of finding a local doctor. They also explore the importance of seeking medical care for chronic conditions and the benefits of virtual visits. The conversation touches on the pitfalls of self-diagnosis and the role of online research in healthcare. Finally, they seek advice from Dr. Mira Sinha on pursuing a career in medicine and the importance of being open to change.

Takeaways

  • It is important to have a local primary care provider for chronic conditions and to set up virtual visits for ongoing care.

  • If you have a chronic condition that may flare up, it is important to have a local provider who can help manage your symptoms.

  • Don't let barriers like transportation or fear prevent you from seeking medical care when needed. Make appointments locally and gain experience navigating the healthcare system.

  • Seek urgent care if you experience symptoms that significantly impact your daily functioning or if you have alarm symptoms like severe pain or difficulty breathing.

  • While online research can be helpful, it is important to be cautious and not jump to conclusions. Discuss your concerns with a healthcare professional for an accurate diagnosis.

  • Health anxiety is common, and it is important to communicate your worries to your healthcare provider so they can address them and provide reassurance.

  • Online research can be a valuable tool for gathering information, but it should not replace professional medical advice. Use it as a starting point for discussions with your healthcare provider.

  • When considering a career in medicine, be open to change and don't lock yourself into a specific path. Explore different options and be willing to adapt your plans.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

01:29 Why Dr. Mira Sinha Chose Medicine and Loves Working with Young Women

06:41 Top Three Pieces of Medical Advice for Young Women

08:15 Understanding Over-the-Counter Medications: Acetaminophen and Ibuprofen

10:06 Dealing with Hangovers and Choosing the Right Medication

13:08 Understanding Cold Medications and When to See a Doctor

21:30 Seeking Medical Care for Chronic Conditions

22:24 Making Appointments and Overcoming Barriers

23:20 Knowing When to Seek Urgent Care

25:38 The Pitfalls of Self-Diagnosis

26:58 Dealing with Health Anxiety

28:02 The Role of Online Research in Healthcare

29:48 Advice for Pursuing a Career in Medicine

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Dr. Nishi Bhopal, MD: Sleep for Long Term Wellbeing, Beauty, and Mental Health

Summary

Dr. Nishi Bhopal, a board-certified psychiatrist and sleep specialist, discusses various aspects of sleep and its impact on health. She shares her journey into psychiatry and sleep medicine, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing sleep for college students. The conversation also explores the effects of shift work on sleep and long-term health. Dr. Bhopal provides insights into using phones before bed and offers tips for maintaining good sleep hygiene. The relationship between age and sleep patterns is discussed, along with the significance of consistent sleep schedules. Finally, the conversation touches on the effects of sleep on appearance and skin health. The conversation explores the connection between sleep and the appearance of skin and hair. It discusses the impact of sleep on the repair and rejuvenation of the body, including the skin and hair. The controversy around melatonin, vitamin D, and magnesium as sleep supplements is also addressed. The conversation highlights the importance of quality and dosage when considering these supplements. Additionally, the impact of food and beverages, such as alcohol and sugar, on sleep is discussed. The conversation concludes with a reminder to find balance and flexibility in sleep habits, avoiding rigidity and stress.

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Takeaways

  • Sleep quality can affect the appearance of skin and hair, as sleep is a time of repair and rejuvenation for the body.

  • The use of melatonin as a sleep supplement is controversial, and it is important to choose a high-quality product and use it for the right purpose and in the right dosage.

  • Vitamin D and magnesium can play a role in sleep, and it is recommended to get tested for vitamin D levels and consider magnesium-rich foods or supplements.

  • Sugar can negatively impact sleep, while fiber-rich foods can promote better sleep quality.

  • Finding balance and flexibility in sleep habits is important, as striving for perfection can create anxiety and stress.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background of Dr. Nishi Bhopal

01:25 Dr. Bhopal's Journey into Psychiatry and Sleep Medicine

07:10 The Impact of Shift Work on Sleep and Health

09:59 Using Phones Before Bed and Sleep Hygiene

11:53 Sleep Patterns and Sleep Needs Across Different Age Groups

21:53 The Importance of Consistent Sleep Schedules

22:44 Effects of Sleep on Appearance and Skin Health

23:42 The Connection Between Sleep and Skin & Hair

26:25 The Controversy Around Melatonin, Vitamin D, and Magnesium

36:02 The Impact of Food and Beverages on Sleep

40:50 The Importance of Balance and Flexibility in Sleep

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How Do I Take Care of Myself in College? | Papaya Talk

Summary

In this conversation, Alyssa and Nadia discuss various aspects of self-care in college. They chat about surprises in college life, how to take care of yourself on your own, managing medications, seeking medical advice, personal care products while studying abroad, and the cost of self-care. Nadia shares her experiences and challenges in taking care of herself while navigating college life. They also discuss the importance of establishing care and finding healthcare providers in a new location, like when moving away for college. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of self-care and the need to adapt to new healthcare systems and routines in college.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Weekend Recap

01:19 Revelations and Surprises in College Life

03:04 Medications and Self-Care

08:07 Different Types of Medications

10:46 Seeking Medical Advice and Establishing Care

13:33 Taking Care of Health Needs

18:18 Personal Care Products and Studying Abroad

20:09 Dealing with Illness Abroad

25:31 The Cost of Self-Care

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How to Deal With SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) | Papaya Talk

In this episode, we’re chatting about what it's like to live in cold weather, specifically in Boston. Nadia shares her experiences and thoughts on the cold after being a California girl her whole life. We also discuss the effects of cold weather on the skin and allergies. We also touch on seasonal affective disorder (SAD), which is a serious challenge for many who are already prone to depression and anxiety. We discuss light therapy as a potential way to mitigate the effects of the cold before jumping into more nuanced experiences with Boston’s cold like the challenges of slipping on ice, skincare, and going to work in this depressing weather. We finish by talking about dressing for parties in cold weather, the theft of jackets at parties (lol), and offer tips for dressing in cold weather. We finish this discussion by exploring tips and tricks for preparing for the emotional and physical challenges of attending college in a cold climate.

Chapters

00:00 Living in Cold Boston

02:17 The Ups and Downs of Cold Weather

03:18 Logistics of Cold Weather

04:05 Effects on Skin and Allergies

07:27 Indoor Temperature and Clothing

08:42 Mood and Grumpiness in Winter

11:37 Seasonal Affective Disorder

14:13 Slipping and Falling on Ice

15:47 Dressing for Parties in Cold Weather

18:04 Taking Ubers in Winter

19:23 Theft of Jackets at Parties

21:28 Tips for Dressing in Cold Weather

23:18 Preparing for College in a Cold Climate


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Gym Culture, Male Gaze, Ozempic, & Toxic Beauty Standards | Papaya Talk

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In this episode, we’re exploring various topics related to fitness, body image, and beauty standards. It begins with a discussion about going to the gym as a woman, Nadia’s experience with the male gaze at the gym, and feeling intimidated by the male-dominated weight room. The conversation then shifts to the use of medications like Ozempic for weight loss and the influence of social media on beauty trends. We also discuss the desire for cosmetic procedures like Botox and lip fillers, as well as the challenges and costs associated with maintaining beauty routines. We conclude with a desire for expert advice on toxic ingredients in beauty products.

Chapters

00:00 Going to the Gym as a Woman

01:30 Feeling Intimidated at the Gym

03:00 Mansplaining at the Gym

04:52 Motivations for Going to the Gym

07:40 Discussion on Ozempic

09:07 Using Medications for Weight Loss

10:34 Extreme Methods for Changing Appearance

16:45 Desire for Botox and Lip Fillers

20:21 The Process and Cost of Eyelash Extensions

22:18 Nail Extensions

23:09 Concerns about Toxicity in Beauty Products

26:01 Negative Experiences with Skincare Treatments

28:04 The Cost and Risks of Botox

29:11 The Need for Expert Advice on Toxic Ingredients


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The Things Nobody Told You About College Life… Internships, Apartment Hunting, & More | Papaya Talk

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In this podcast episode, Alyssa interviews Nadia about her new job as a medical secretary at a community health center in Boston. They discuss Nadia's experience as a co-op student at Northeastern University, the challenges of working full-time (and Nadia’s first big job), and the importance of patient communication. Nadia also shares her thoughts on applying to medical school and making a positive difference in patients' lives. Finally, we also touch on the difficulties of apartment hunting and share funny stories about their past living situations while Alyssa was an undergraduate al UC Berkeley.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and New Job

01:01 Co-op Experience

02:21 Working Full-Time

06:12 Thoughts on Being a Full-Time Worker

07:23 Challenging Situations

08:27 Code Switching

09:30 Communication Challenges

11:20 Deciding on Medical School

13:15 Patient Interaction

14:08 Making a Positive Difference

15:18 Language Barriers

16:28 Impact on Decision to Apply to Medical School

17:19 Apartment Hunting

19:33 Funny Living Situations

22:44 Wrap-Up

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We're chatting about the world of women’s health from one generation to the next. Brought to you by mom and daughter duo Dr. Alyssa-Herrera-Set and Nadia Herrera-Set.

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Dr. Nichole Tyson, MD: Pediatric and Adolescent Ob/Gyn at Stanford | Papaya Talk

In this conversation, we're chatting with Dr. Nichole Tyson, a pediatric and adolescent obstetrician and gynecologist at Stanford. She discusses her journey to becoming a specialist in this field and the reasons why families seek pediatric ob/gyn care. She also explains the basics of the menstrual cycle and how different stages relate to the likelihood of pregnancy, safe sex practices, tips on hygiene and more topics related to women's health. Lastly, she addresses the issue of misinformation and the importance of medical literacy in making informed decisions about reproductive health, and introduces to @gyn.guide on Instagram, an account dedicated to eliminating misinformation around all things pelvic health, run by Stanford residents and med students!


Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:01 Becoming a Pediatric and Adolescent Gynecologist

09:51 Reasons for Seeking Care from a Pediatric and Adolescent Gynecologist

15:37 Understanding the Menstrual Cycle and Pregnancy

21:25 Preventing Pregnancy and Safe Sex Practices

29:33 Hygiene and Concerns

30:41 Normal Variations in Vulvas and Labias

35:41 Use of Birth Control Pills for Non-Contraceptive Purposes

38:51 Misinformation and Medical Literacy

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ABOUT PAPAYA HEALTH & PAPAYA TALK: THE PODCAST

We're chatting about the world of women’s health from one generation to the next. Brought to you by mom and daughter duo Dr. Alyssa-Herrera-Set and Nadia Herrera-Set.

Get even more juice at www.papaya.health

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC53G8A3rEzOzoJen5g0fHlg/

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The Truth About Your Pelvic Floor w/ Dr. Jennifer Kinder PT, MS, DPTSc

Hey everyone, Nadia and Alyssa here! On today's episode of Papaya Talk, we're chatting about all things pelvic floor with the incredible Pelvic Floor specialist Dr. Jen Kinder PT, MS, DPTSc. We're talking about what a pelvic floor pt does, where to find one near you, what a typical pelvic exam is like, changing the system for female athletes, and exercises and techniques you can try literally while watching or listening. We hope you enjoy this episode!

🎙 | Hosted by Nadia Herrera-Set and Dr. Alyssa Herrera-Set PT, DPT

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Takeaways

  • There are different methods of pelvic floor assessment, including internal exams, biofeedback, and external assessments.

  • Pelvic floor exams are recommended for individuals who have pelvic health issues or symptoms.

  • Many people are unaware that certain symptoms they experience are not normal and can be addressed through pelvic floor PT.

  • To find a pelvic floor PT, you can search directories provided by the American Physical Therapy Association

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

01:28 Becoming a Physical Therapist Specializing in Women's Health and Pelvic Health

03:11 Personal Connection to Pelvic Health

06:12 Leaking in Young Women and Athletes

08:49 Using Pads and Tampons as a Crutch

10:30 Rehabilitation and Brace for Pelvic Floor

11:25 Changing the System in Female Athletics

14:15 Causes of Leaking and Incontinence

16:36 Experiences with Leaking in Gymnastics

19:08 Exercises and Techniques to Manage Leaking

26:51 Leaking in Males

27:54 Injuries and Pelvic Floor Dysfunction

29:36 Pelvic Floor Physical Therapy Exam

32:17 Different Methods of Pelvic Floor Assessment

34:30 Who Should Get Pelvic Floor Exams?

35:15 Recognizing Pelvic Health Issues

36:47 How to Contact a Pelvic Floor PT

37:30 Telehealth as an Option for Pelvic Floor PT

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The Psychology of Substance Abuse in College w/ Dr. Amie Haas

Summary

Today we are joined by Dr. Amy Haas, Professor at Palo Alto University and Senior Lecturer at Stanford University, specializing in college student substance use. We’re discussing the factors influencing addiction and substance abuse in college students. Dr. Haas explains the concept of blacking out and its effects on memory, as well as the potential long-term consequences, emphasizing the complexity of addiction and how addiction affects everyone differently. She also provides guidance for parents on how to address their child's substance use through open communication, finding a balance between intervention, and allowing exploration. We also discusses the potency of cannabis and other substances, especially when mixed with alcohol, highlighting how cannabis has become more addictive due to genetic engineering. She also emphasizes the dangers of unknown substances, particularly with the rise of fentanyl. Dr. Haas warns about the risks of mixing substances, as they can have unpredictable and dangerous interactions. She stresses the importance of knowing the potency and interactions of substances before using them. We finish the episode by sharing harm reduction strategies, such as using fentanyl test strips and carrying Narcan pens. She concludes by encouraging students to have fun in different ways but to be aware of their limits.

Takeaways

Cannabis has become more addictive due to genetic engineering and the use of concentrated forms like dabs.

The rise of fentanyl has made it dangerous to consume unknown substances, as they may be laced with this potent substance.

Mixing substances, such as Xanax and alcohol, can have unpredictable and dangerous effects.

Knowing the potency and interactions of substances is crucial for making informed decisions and reducing risks.

Harm reduction strategies like using fentanyl test strips and carrying Narcan pens can help prevent overdoses and save lives.

Students should have fun in college but also be aware of their limits and know when to stop.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction of Dr. Amy Haas

00:28 Dr. Haas' research on high-risk drinking and drug use in college students

01:53 Dr. Haas' background and journey to becoming a psychologist

05:20 Personal experiences and motivations for studying substance abuse

06:01 Understanding the terms addiction, substance use disorder, and substance abuse

09:18 Exploring the concept of blacking out and its effects on memory

10:41 Factors influencing the likelihood of blacking out

14:19 The potential long-term effects of blacking out

19:19 The complexity of addiction and the absence of a threshold amount

20:26 Individual differences in addiction susceptibility

23:26 How parents can address their child's substance use

28:19 Approaching the conversation with a concerned child

31:57 Finding a balance between intervention and allowing exploration

36:54 The Potency of Cannabis and Other Substances

38:31 The Dangers of Unknown Substances

39:59 The Risks of Mixing Substances

40:56 The Importance of Knowing Potency and Interactions

41:29 Harm Reduction Strategies

42:42 Being Prepared for Opioid Emergencies

43:22 Having Fun in Different Ways and Knowing Limits

Resources:

Free NARCAN:

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https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/individuals/Pages/Naloxone_Distribution_Project.aspx

Fetanyl Test Strips:

https://www.cdc.gov/stopoverdose/fentanyl/fentanyl-test-strips.html

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We're chatting about the world of women’s health from one generation to the next. Brought to you by mom and daughter duo Dr. Alyssa-Herrera-Set and Nadia Herrera-Set. Get even more juice at www.papaya.health

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The Stress of Holiday Reunions

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hi Nadia.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hi.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Um, I feel weird having you back at Northeastern.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, a week at home was a luxury. Uh, it's like a spa break.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Was it? So you're in your sophomore year of college now and you had a week off for Thanksgiving break and it felt like a spa luxury to come home?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, in the sense that like, I have a lot more responsibilities here, so I just, not that I didn't have them there, I just chose to forget about them. Um, I mean, I have a lot more, yeah, a lot more responsibilities here regarding like school and because I was far, far away, it felt like I could just like.

you know, take, like, relax a little bit more. Um... But.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

It's not because you don't have to do things as much like clean dishes and clean your house and stuff, your apartment.

Nadia Herrera-Set

No, I don't know. I guess a little bit because like you guys are the ones like running the house, I guess, instead of me. But maybe in the sense of like everyone else's life, it's like a vacation for me but just me. Like everyone else's lives are like still going. So when everyone else gets has things to do, I don't. Which like...

in a weird sense feels like a vacation for me because I don't have to do things, but it's also weird to be young.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I'm going to go to bed.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I'm wearing your Northeastern sweatshirt because I missed you today. But today, our topic is the stress of like reunions, holiday reunions. I think that's something that I hear.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

people talk about and see people post about online about how it feels sometimes, like the holidays are supposed to be this joyful celebration, reunion with family and friends that love you. And then sometimes it doesn't quite feel that way. And that's like makes things even worse. So how was your, what are your thoughts on that? How was your return home?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, this time I think I've gotten used to returning home, but every time I do, it just feels a little bit weird. Um, like I said before, like everyone, because everyone's, it's not like everyone's life stopped when I moved to Boston. So it's like, I don't feel as connected to it in the, like, I still feel connected to family, but not necessarily home because I'm not there very much.

when I am I'm not there for very long. And then like same with like friends like I'm still in touch with my friends, but you know, we all have like other lives at school and outside of the Bay Area now so it's just like a lot of catching up and

Nadia Herrera-Set

I don't know. It's weird every time I go back, but I feel like a lot of people feel the same way. I mean, I've changed a lot since I've been to Northeastern, or I feel like I have. So it's just like also looking at home in a new perspective is a little bit strange.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

You know, we haven't gotten to talk about how, well, you say you've grown a lot since you've been in Boston. And we haven't gotten to talk about how a lot of people came up to me on the side after seeing you this time, saying that it seems like you're really thriving in Boston, or that you feel you seem happier, or you seem like,

more, I don't know, at ease with yourself or something. Can you explain what that might be about? Like, why is you like, why are people responding to your presence as if there's like a palpable change in your comfort with yourself this time compared to previously?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I don't know. I maybe like, I feel like I came to call like colleges, as people say, like a time to, you know, become not become necessarily become a new version of yourself but push yourself out of like your comfort zone.

And at home, I had like a routine and that routine like never really changed throughout the entirety of my time like in middle school and high school and all that stuff. So I didn't really have like opportunities to like try new things or I don't know meet other people but um

I do feel like I've in some sense like gained more confidence in myself and maybe that's also like just becoming an adult but not that I feel like an adult at all but like I don't know I feel like I sometimes also put on a persona of like trying to act more mature when I'm home too so I feel like well like

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Really? I'm just kidding.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I don't know, I feel like...

maybe looking at it from looking at home from a bird's it's like looking at home from a bird's eye view like i'm not attached to anything except for a family and like my high school friends anymore so everything else is kind of like it's like they don't i don't know they don't really mean that much yeah

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Maybe the things that were that seemed like such a big deal when you were younger because you were like that was all that you had All of a sudden doesn't seem like a big deal anymore. And then it makes you feel at ease with Everything else you come across. It seems like it's a big deal. Like maybe everything isn't really that big of a deal

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right. Right, and also like, I think I've gotten better at like looking at the bigger picture and just, I don't know, new perspectives. I don't know, but that's kinda, I feel like that's interesting to hear.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So what.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, well, I hope that makes you feel happy to hear that you're giving people that impression. So what feels like home? Like when you stepped into your home in Redwood Shores and you're like, ah, home, or when you went back to your apartment in Boston and you're like, home, like which one felt like home?

Nadia Herrera-Set

No, yeah, it does. I just... yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Honestly like honestly both but this is like that's like the first time that has happened

at Northeastern. Not that I didn't feel at home in my other like places that I was living, but I wasn't going to be living there for very long because it was like one semester or like the half semester I did over the summer. So I kind of looked at it as like I'm going to be leaving soon anyways. Like I didn't really get as settled. Whereas I feel like in this apartment, because I knew I was going to be staying here the whole year, I've like made it feel more like home from like the beginning.

when I came back it didn't feel weird and it felt like relaxing and the same thing happens at home too. My room kind of just stays the same so I it feels anytime I step in there it feels like nothing has changed

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So that's all good stuff. What about the hard stuff? A lot of people have a hard time. They dread going to the family party on the holiday, or they dread going to a reunion of friends from high school or elementary school. Did you have any of that?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I didn't have any of that, but I understand, like, there's a lot of anxiety just towards, like, oh, is it going to be awkward? Like, um, yeah, the awkwardness of it all is kind of hard, but, and also, like, not everyone really enjoys, like, that small talk, catching up type of thing. Um.

Especially when it feels like you have like less in common. This is like specifically like friends like if you have less in common with them Then you did before it's I feel like that's kind of hard and Like with family things I Don't know I didn't I didn't feel like I didn't drag going to family things. I think being

Um, away from home for a while, like makes me just like appreciate it more when I get the opportunity to go to like those get-togethers, but Yeah, I think the awkwardness and anxiety that has that like Is connected to it is hard

Alyssa Herrera-Set

It was, I just remember now that you were kind of mentally preparing yourself to see a bunch of your extended family and you were joking about recording your answers because you were anticipating that they were going to ask you the same thing. Like what is it that everybody asks you?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hmm...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well, I mean, it's not necessarily like because it's like a family thing. Like it's just with everyone. Everyone's everyone asks the same thing because I'm away at college. It's always like, how's college and all that type of thing, which is not. It's not like weird, but I, oh, I. No, I always say that.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What did you repeat?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So what's your canned answer? Or did you say something different every time?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I mean, even when I wasn't, even after like my semester in Greece, when I like still wasn't sure how, I hadn't like mentally processed the whole thing yet, I still answered with like, oh, I'm having a lot of fun. Um, I really like it and all that kind of thing. But I am actually having a lot of fun now and I do really like it. So it's less of a half lie, but um, uh, yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hahaha

I guess you know people don't want to hear like, um, I am having a really hard time. It was really hard for me to adjust. I was kind of lonely and missing home. Like, you just don't really feel like saying that.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it depended on who I was with. And also, like, I feel like it gets, it all, that's another part of the time where it kind of could get awkward if, like, they, you know, they ask a question or you say something that's, like, not what they expected you to say. And then there's, like, more questions. So kind of, like...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

making it the easiest conversation possible, but that doesn't like, I don't know. I didn't do that with everybody.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, I guess we're lucky that family reunions aren't super dramatic or there's not a lot of fighting. There's not any fighting. We did have a slightly awkward situation though. I mean, maybe more awkward for me and it wasn't that bad. But my mom and my dad and my stepmom were all at

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Oh yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Although my mom and stepmom get along. Were they talking to each other? I don't know. My mom and my dad don't talk to each other at all. Did you, did you feel, was that palpable? Like, did you see that happening?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I, I don't know. I don't think I like registered it. I mean, I kind of used like they don't, I know they don't like converse. So I wasn't like expecting them to like sit together, like have a conversation. Um, but yeah, I mean, I guess it's more, it's more of a thing for you because you, you're going to look out for it and you're going to notice it more.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, I am also used to it. What sometimes is weird for me is if I think about how weird it is that my parents don't talk to each other. Like, if you just think about me and your dad not talking to each other on a holiday, it's kind of sucky. But yeah. But we've just gotten used to it at this point. And I'm glad that it didn't result in anything like nobody was mad.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I mean...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah and also like they did it it's not like they couldn't be in the same place so I feel like I don't know our family is getting bigger but it's not that big our house is like not that big so they did have to be in like close proximity so no fighting yeah

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, they were like, I guess, in the next room from each other. Did they sit at the same table for lunch for dinner?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh, no. I don't think so. I- I don't... I don't think so. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, but we got all of them to take a picture together. And it took a little bit of dragging some members out because they were resistant to it. And I don't know if that's because they didn't want to be in a picture together. I'm not sure. But that was really important for me. We never get the entire family, all of my siblings, my mom and my dad, in one picture. That's so.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

ever.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

so rare for me and it was like really important for me. So I'm glad that we were able to make it happen.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, um, yeah, that never happens. Well, I guess not everyone was there, but we, we edited him in.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-mm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, one person, not in the picture, but we edited them in.

Nadia Herrera-Set

and to the back.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah. Well, now you're going to be in school for another two weeks, and then you're going to come right back home. Like, are you feeling that's too soon?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. Um, not... I don't know. I... The next two weeks are gonna be difficult because it's finals and everything, so it's not really like the most fun. Um... But...

I also don't know what I need to do at home. So like, I don't really, I don't know. It's, I've been, I was talking to some of my friends today that like really just like, I don't know, they don't wanna, going home now is like not fun for them anymore, they don't wanna go back. And it like coming back to Boston feels like super relaxing and like, oh, finally I'm, yeah, from Northeastern.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Your friends from North Eastern were saying that they didn't want to go home.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, no, like now they're back here, but like they're glad that they're back. Yeah, I don't know. I feel both. I feel both. I'm like, I'm glad that I'm back, but I also like didn't want to come back because I knew um I have finals and it's like not fun at all.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Um, are some of your friends like having a hard time with, um, or are you having a hard time with defining what is appropriate behavior when you're at home? Like when to come home? Like are some people like annoyed because their parents are super strict when they're at home and they can do whatever they want when they're at school, that type of thing?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I mean I haven't like really talked about that much. I feel like maybe that was more of a thing like last year because it's like both for me like for us and for our parents like it's hard to know like where the boundaries are when you're back home again but I don't know.

You kind of like you go home for like family and you're like close friends from high school anyways so it's not necessarily like I in my head I know whenever I'm doing like here in Boston is not really going to be happening in um in at home so I like I've already set the difference before I get before I step before I step in the Bay Area.

Hehehe

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I actually didn't experience that. I felt like I was going out with my friends in college, at like on campus and around campus. And then when we come home for the holidays, then I would like go out with my high school friends and like.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I mean, I did over the summer. I don't know. It's like, it's different. It's like, it's weird. And I also don't know the Bay Area like that. So like the, like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't see the, yeah, like it's, I don't look at it the same way. So it's...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

where to go out.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, that's true. And you don't really have a lot of good friends that are going to college here. Your friends...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, so everyone is like, we're all in different parts. We're actually none of us are, aren't like, most of us are not home, so it's at all, so it's very, none of us are used to it. And I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, and my friends all went to school nearby.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, so it's like, I guess I can hear it from like the great men. I can ask other people that do go to school close, but I know it feels weird. But I guess, I don't know, most of my friends here at Northeastern live, actually all my friends at Northeastern are from the East Coast. So what, however, like you felt in college, just a little bit, how they feel. Cause you know, they know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Like how to like home and school is very close, but for me, it's very different.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm, and then your friends too like all of the friends that you would go out with back at home None of them are going to school nearby. So then none of you guys know what to do around here

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right, right. Yeah, so it's interesting.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

All right, so what's what are you gearing up for? You have two weeks of finals.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well, not... Well, I guess, yeah, kind of two weeks of finals. Um, yeah. But actual finals week is like, like the December 11th, December 16th, like that week. But my first final's on the 6th, and I really need to start studying, but I really, really don't want to.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Well, you're almost there. I mean, that's the nice thing about going to school, like things end and then start over again. Like in regular adult life, it just keeps going.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. But then also like, oh yeah. But next semester I'll be on co-op too, so it's like...

that is I guess I'll have a break from school for a long time. It's just gonna be really interesting.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, yeah. That'll be fun. I was just thinking about how you're going to be probably really tired. It's going to be really weird, I think, for you to have to go to work from eight to five or whatever, just like 40 hours of being like on is different than like two hours of class and then a break and then two hours of class and then a break.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, it is. Yeah, but I feel like with like classes too, I'm doing homework for a long time. So like that whole time when I'm off of work is when I would be doing my homework anyways. So like that's gonna be different and I'm gonna I feel like Yeah, we'll see what happens. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

You're excited not to have homework? All right. It was nice talking to you. I feel I don't know why I feel sad that you're gone, even though I just saw you yesterday, and then you're coming back in two weeks. But I think it's because that same reason that everybody feels like.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Nice talking to you too.

Nadia Herrera-Set

and I'll be back. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

you know, oh, you're doing really, she's doing really well, and she's thriving, she's happy. It's like a good thing, right? But then it makes me feel like even more, like you have a whole life away from here. That's probably it. Yeah. All right. Bye.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. Well. Bye.

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Alyssa Herrera-Set

Sometimes I feel like our talks are all about exposing you and what's going on in your personal life. Sorry in advance.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, it's okay. No, I'm okay with it. I like sharing. Yeah, makes it more personal.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, hopefully it's helpful for other people.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah. Okay, so today, because it is end of November, or no, mid November, we're going into Thanksgiving break. And you probably had some midterms coming up. Or just had some midterms. And I have some big news and projects coming up in my life too. And so this has

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

And when sometimes you're so obsessed or worried or nervous about something that you can't literally think or perform the way that you want to, or your whole life is filtered with some kind of panic haze.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I that is something that I, as you know, I've struggled with that for a long time. And it like because I'm the type of person to just get stressed out really easily over like the littlest things.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Does that resonate with you at all?

Nadia Herrera-Set

And yeah, it is Thanksgiving break. We had midterms like at the, before Halloween, but that doesn't mean like the tests stopped. So like I've had like a bunch of like projects and tests before Thanksgiving break, and then I'll have finals before I go home.

Um, so yeah, it's stressful. It's also like starting to get cold and I haven't been home in a while. So it's, it's just a lot and everyone, everyone feels like they need a break.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah. So have you ever like been in the middle of a test and felt panic, like you couldn't figure out the answer and all of a sudden you were worried?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I mean, in a general sense of like, as like just not knowing the answer. Yeah. But I would say that my test anxiety doesn't usually happen during the test. It'll happen like the night before, meaning like I'm studying the night before. Um, and that's when it feels like I just stay up all night and I have to like do all of this right now.

because either I don't know it or I've like procrastinated too long. So like that's when like the panic attacks and like anxiety sets in. But while I'm taking the test, I mean, yeah, if it's a hard question, I'm going to like get nervous. But I feel like I don't have that type of test anxiety, which I'm fortunate not to have, because I feel like

It really, it really hurts people when they have to, when their grade depends on this like one thing. But I would say that does only apply for me in school because I do get performance anxiety when I'm like competing and that could also happen, and that could happen during competition, like during a routine.

Alyssa Herrera-Set (

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So do you like, well, okay, let's take a step back. So the night before a test, you're worried because you've procrastinated or you feel like you don't know the material enough and you say that you get like anxious. What does that look like? Like, how do you respond to that? And how does that feel inside you?

Nadia Herrera-Set

So it depends.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I'm, I get very panicky. I feel like I can't do anything but like study for the test. Like I can't take any breaks and I can't, like, I need to stay up late. Even if I have to wake up early so that I can finish it. And like, I don't know, it can get to the point where I just feel like so overwhelmed that I feel like crying or like, I, this just happened.

on Tuesday. No, yeah, on Tuesday. And I stayed in a library for 10 hours. And I only left to get food. And I mean, that doesn't mean I was like, working, working like the entire time, but I was in that library for 10 hours. And

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hehehehe

Nadia Herrera-Set

I don't know, that's not very healthy at all, but that's what my anxiety tells me to do. I need to like, I can't sleep, I can't do anything else.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So it's one thing to like take that situation and go, I need to study, so like I need to do well on this test. So I have to be in the library for 10 hours. It's almost like a punishment or a prescription or something like that. So that's one thing versus another feeling, which might be like you can't think about anything else. You can't eat.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

All right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

you cannot literally fall asleep because you're thinking so much about the test. So that's why you're in the library. You know what I mean? So is it more like you've prescribed 10 hours in the library for yourself or is it more like, well, I can't sleep, I can't have a good time, I can't enjoy anything else, so I might as well be in the library and do that.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. It's like... yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

No.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I didn't plan on staying in the library for 10 hours. That's just how it happens. And then like really didn't need to happen because I could have just not procrastinated that much. But I just, I don't know, it feels better to me. And then sometimes when you get home late and you still you have to get up and you have to wake up for your tests next morning, then I have like anxiety that I'm not going to wake up in time for the test. So it's like just a whole bunch of things. Um.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So do you feel like staying up actually helps? Like you're like, oh, it's a good thing I stayed up and barely slept. Or do you feel like you just kind of made things worse by studying for so long that you didn't sleep?

Nadia Herrera-Set

well

Nadia Herrera-Set

I don't regret it because of how I felt during the test. Not that I thought the test went really well, I just feel like if I hadn't done it, I would have felt a lot worse and it would have been really bad. And I've also found recently, this wasn't always the case, I could, I used to be able to wake up early and study and stuff, but now I realize that when I try to wake up early here, I just end up staying in bed and not.

working like I just it just doesn't work in my favor. So staying up late has been is like the better option of the two bad options for me. But I don't know. I don't regret it because the test can have gone a lot worse, but that's not a healthy thing. This is not a healthy study habit.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

be where you.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, have you ever found, this has happened to me. I have found that sometimes when I'm working on something super late at night when I'm tired, it takes me forever. Like I'm trying to write an email to somebody and I just like, my words are just not coming out. I'm so tired that like, it's sometimes like gibberish. And then if I wake up in the morning and try to do that, like finish that task, it can like happen super fast. Like it's like so much easier to do.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I guess it's like if you're writing something. I could see that, but I was doing organic chemistry. So it was like my brain was already working and I didn't come home because I knew that if I came back to my room that I'd get distracted.

Like that transition when you're studying is not always the best. So I just, and they just remodeled the fourth floor of the library. So it's like all new and exciting with couches and all this stuff. So it's like, like I had a new environment to study in. So that also helped. Um, but yeah, yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

nice.

Okay, so I don't have... I mean, we're lucky to not have too much test anxiety, but I do remember the first moment that I felt panicky during a test. It was weirdly, really specifically during my junior year of high school Spanish final. And I had never felt that before, where all of a sudden it's felt like this, like, wave or wash of... I don't know, like...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Ugh.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I guess a panic. I don't know how else to call it, but like a wave came over me, like a feeling came over me. And it was just like, it's almost my whole body or like brain and body were like almost like buzzing and in a state of like haziness almost. And I just took a moment to acknowledge it and I was like, whoa, that's weird. And luckily I was able enough to realize what was happening and then wait for it to pass, which it didn't take too long.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

All right.

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

And then I just went on, but I was like, whoa, that's strange. And then the first time, and then when the pandemic happened, or with the start of the pandemic, everything was all unclear. I found myself waking up at like 5 in the morning, like super awake. And I was like, that's weird. I don't need to be awake because I couldn't go to work, right? I was like, oh, that's weird. Am I waking up this early because I just

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I'm so rested because I'm not working. And then I realized, oh, I think that's anxiety waking me up at 5 in the morning. It's like a different color of that wave was over me, just super awake and ready to go. It almost felt good, but then it wasn't good because it was at 5 o'clock in the morning. Have you ever felt that?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right, yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. I mean, I feel like, you know, I panic like really quickly and easily. And so maybe like I do have test anxiety, but I feel that in a lot of other situations in my life. So it feels like it feels normal. I would say like,

I'm just like thinking back to my test I just took right now. When I don't know something, I like sit like I'll sit there for a second. If I really don't know it, like I'm just going to either have to come back to it, like guess and put a random answer down or I don't know. And it's and then like when I leave that test, I'll be like stressed out about it. But another thing that I feel like after I left that test is like I feel like I have

blacked out during the test. Like I'll leave and be like, I don't remember anything I did and I don't remember. Can't even look up the questions because I don't remember the questions anymore. But

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, that's never happened to me before. Like you just black out.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, well, it's like I leave the test room and like, suddenly, I don't remember any of the questions I just like wrote. And then I'm like, well, hopefully, you know, hopefully it works out.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Do you eventually remember them, or did they stay out of your head forever?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, they, well, they stay out of my head forever. Unless it's like one that I really like wasn't sure about, then like, I guess that one stays in. But, um, with gymnastics, I guess it's a different type of like panic. There's the panic that I felt like when I knew I wasn't prepared and I like had to do something during practice that like...

I don't know. Yeah. And then there's like anxiety before competing. I've also felt like I can do it really well when no one's, this is primarily with gymnastics of like, I can do it really well, something really well, and then like, someone will point it out and everyone will start watching and then I'll like fall on my face. And like, not like a fear of it, like it's actually happened multiple times.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Was scary or you felt like your life was at stake? Your health was at stake?

Nadia Herrera-Set (12:55.188)

Um, like I just like when the pressure's on me, it, it just doesn't work out. And I don't know, but probably because like I put that pressure on my extra pressure on myself to do it really well. But I don't know. I feel that type of panic when I'm competing.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I feel like I was just talking to my colleague, I was talking to Tanya about how some people really thrive and do well in an emergency situation or a kind of stressful situation. And some people kind of just crumble and can't act. And she said about me, she's like, I feel like.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

you, Alisa, can really work well in an emergency situation. If you're my emergency room doc, you'd be OK. And I was like, I don't, I totally don't agree with that. I feel like I wouldn't do well when having to think quickly. But I think the difference, I think she would do well in that kind of situation. But I think the difference for me is there are few situations that I think are stressful and panicky. So then it's

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm.

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What people think that I flourish well under stress, but I think it's just that I don't interpret a lot of situations as stressful. You know, like, I'm like, this is okay, we're okay here. You know? Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah. Just used to it, yeah. I do not think I work well in like emergency situations and I would not do well in the emergency room because my stress and anxiety can blind my judgment, which I guess is something I should work on, but I can just.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

That's what I think about myself too. It's something I should work on. I'm actually like emergency responder certified. So like I've taken the course so many times, but I say to myself all the time, I would be really bad in that situation. But I wonder if I really like worked on it, because I have the skills, I have the knowledge. I just maybe I need to be in the situation a lot, and then I'll get better at it or trust myself more. Sometimes you have to have enough like successful.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

um, rounds of something in order to start to feel like, oh, I think I can do this.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. I think another... This is like another form of like panic and anxiety and like a different form is like in social situations.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I've like, I've gotten better at it, but I do have a lot of social anxiety and like, there's that type of panic of like when you're with a group of people you don't know, or even with a group of people that you do know, and you like, you like say something or you don't know what to say, then you like sit there and you're like, wait, I shouldn't have said that or like, I don't belong here. So what am I doing here? There's I've, I mean, especially in college, obviously, like I felt that a lot. So

there's that type of like panic I'm gonna run away and like, I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, that's interesting. So your dad and I were talking about how, now I'm going to expose him, he can't be here to defend himself. How he can be like, so his social anxiety sometimes shows up before an event, before he goes someplace, he's not necessarily looking forward to it, trying to think about who's going to be there, what are their names?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

He's strategizing ahead of time how he's going to manage the situation. I'm usually kind of optimistic about the situation, and I just kind of go into it. But then sometimes after, I kind of perseverate or think a long time about the things that I said to people while I was at the party. And should I have said that differently? And what kind of impression did I leave? And second guessing. So I would, is that like, that's not really in like post?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

like.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

event anxiety? I don't know what that's called.

Nadia Herrera-Set

It's just social anxiety. Your anxiety over... Yeah. Um, I think like...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Social regret.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, that's something I really had to work on and I feel like it wasn't something that I wanted to work on but in College, I feel like at home I don't know. Maybe i'm just like making assumptions. But like when I was at when I'm at home account my friends at home are more Outgoing than more extroverted than I am. Whereas like my friends I feel like um

I feel like when I'm with my friends that I've made at Northeastern, I've made a lot of friends that are like me, which is really nice, but then that means when we're in certain situations, and you have to go talk to someone, or you have to, I don't know, be the first one to walk to a door. I end up being the one to do it, so I've forced myself to... I don't know if it's to be more confident or just to not care.

Maybe they go hand in hand. But I'll feel like a lot of anxiety beforehand and then like, wait I shouldn't have done that. Um, or in the morning after. Like the morning after I go out is probably the worst ever.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

You're like laying in bed thinking about all the things you did and said.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, it's called anxiety and I...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, I've never heard of that term. Hang-xiety.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I... well I suffer from it really badly.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Well, that's a whole other thing, though. When you're intoxicated and not thinking clearly and acted in ways that you would have if you had, like, full judgment and control, that's a different thing.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. But it's, it's not even it's that and then also like, when I'm in those situations, it's a social situation where I like try to act more, like confident and like more outgoing than I actually am. So then when I look back at it.

It's like, oh my goodness, I can't believe I did that. But like, it's a normal thing to do, but I just like, talk to someone and I wouldn't have done that if, you know, if I was like at school. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

There's a beauty about going to college, going away to college, right? Like you get to try on a bunch of different identity and personality outfits. Like today I'm going to be.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, but then when I go home, then I'm like, feel really weird. Like, I'm going home tomorrow and anytime I go home, it just feels really, I don't know how to act. I, it's a really strange feeling. A panicky feeling.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, can we bring up your AP test?

Nadia Herrera-Set

No, we can't. We actually can't. Well, actually I have told other people, I can... I don't even know. I don't even know what I'm... What I... Like how am I supposed to... Well, anyways, if you took AP tests in 2020, they were online and long story short.

I was really stressed out about it and it was my first AP test, it was AP Euro and I just got really stressed out and it was really bad and I was and then I had to there was some events happened and I had to redo the test because I didn't turn it in and then it was just really bad and I was screaming crying.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh my gosh, I had... Okay, first of all, going into the exam, the whole week before, you kept, like, you were so nervous about it. I wasn't sure why, but you were so nervous about this test. I mean, it was a hard time, right? We're talking, was this 2020? No, this was 2021, right? Because the...

Nadia Herrera-Set

for probably hours.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Oh.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

No, it was 2020.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, OK. So it was your sophomore year, second semester sophomore year. So we're talking like April, May, or whatever, 2020. Everything's online. Everything is crazy at this time. The whole world is anxious about just the baseline is anxiety. And then you take this, your first AP test. And I don't know what story you had said in your head about the importance of this test to your whole entire life and identity. But there was a whole week of you being so worried about it.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

in a really weird way, because you've always done pretty well in school. So I was like, I wonder why she's so nervous about this test. And she keeps, I was a little bit worried because you kept saying that it was going to be bad. And I would, you know how sometimes they say, if you say it's going to be bad, it's going to be bad. You know, like you're putting that too much of that energy in the universe. So then you go to take the test and you're in your room for however many hours taking the test online. Oh, I'm not supposed to say it. I'm not supposed to say it.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

You can't say everything. It's bad. Well... Hehehehe No, well... I didn't actually say it. It's actually not that bad, but I can't expose myself that much.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, nevermind, I thought you just said it.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, well, long story short, from a mother's point of view, your response after the test was very scary for me to witness.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I panicked.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I think sophomore year was all like a really that was for a lot of different reasons. That was like a weird time for me, like mentally and emotionally, especially with COVID. And yeah, it's really panicky. The whole first semester like, I guess it's freshman year too.

I was like crying every single gymnastics practice, every single practice I went to I cried. And like, that's not normal. So like it was already like a hard time. And I guess I did have test anxiety then. And from then on it's been like better. But

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What would you say to that freshman Nadia that was crying every day in practice now? Would you be like, it's gonna be okay? Or would you be like, you should stop doing gymnastics now.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I mean I had the opportunity, I could have left if I, like I could have quit if I wanted to but I didn't. So I don't know if freshman year me would have really wanted to stop, I don't know. I think she needed a break and I think I just took things way too seriously. It was like, that was like my whole life. I guess that's how I felt with like school too. I mean it was my whole life, school and gymnastics. But.

I don't know. I don't really know what I would say to myself in that situation. I just like things weren't working in at practice and so I reacted physically. And I was getting hurt a lot. So

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, maybe actually you weren't eating enough.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Ah, no, I probably was eating enough. I don't know, I was just anxious and stressed.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Sleep, maybe not sleeping enough. I don't know. Now that I hear you talk about it, like, yeah, just stressed. You know, you stopped doing gymnastics at the end of your senior year, and at the rest, around the same time, Lucy stopped too. And she had her own reasons for stopping after the end of her sophomore year. She was saying it wasn't fun anymore. But I wonder if part of her felt like she had to stay at gymnastics to, like, look out for you. Like, if you...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

could see your sister crying every day at practice, you might be worried and then like think that you should be around just in case.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I wanna...

I wanna be, I wanna bring her on the podcast to ask her. In my opinion, I don't think that's why she stayed. I don't think like, I don't know. We weren't in the same group then. She might like, I don't know, we should ask her, but. I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

We should bring your coach on and ask her about you crying at every practice.

Nadia Herrera-Set

There.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I was bad. But, and I also, I tried to see a therapist then too. That's just like, it didn't work for me. I feel like now, like I don't see a therapist now, but if I, now looking back on it, I really approached the therapy as like, in a strange way that like wouldn't have helped me. Like, I don't know. Not that therapy was a failure, that like I didn't approach it in the way that I should have.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Like it was a failure to go to the therapy?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What was that? How did you approach it and how should you have?

Nadia Herrera-Set

You know, like I feel like, I mean, I don't really remember that much, but like, I don't feel like I probably told her everything. And I also don't feel like, I felt like this is like a one time, like it, you know, I do remember, I think I had like two or three sessions, but like with different people. So I don't know why like, I made, I don't know why I did it like that. It was just.

I don't know. I was, I guess I was a lot, it's a lot different personality wise that I feel like I was a lot less like open to share and now I feel like I just talk and talk and talk so it would be a different experience now.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, I think I told you that my friend said that like, going on this podcast is kind of like, therapy and our podcast is the therapist. It's like, it's like a controlled conversation because we know where it's being recorded.

Nadia Herrera-Set

A little bit.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Um, well, okay, about your therapy that you went to when you were younger, maybe it would have taken just some time to build, like, trust and connection. And I think that you were in a situation where you received care, didn't really promote, like, weekly sessions, because you were...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Totally. Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, to be specific, you were at a Kaiser HMO, and maybe you weren't seeing somebody that was in an urgent situation. So they prioritized your appointment maybe a little bit less and wanted to encourage you to maybe use the tools that they were helping you in between, and then practice that, and then come back. It's a style that probably works for a lot of people, but maybe didn't work for you at the time.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I feel like I definitely didn't. I didn't approach it as like a long-term thing. I approached it as like a one-time thing that is gonna work after one time, which obviously it's not. And I don't know, I feel like being in...

I guess it's probably, it's not because of like the people I turn myself with, but just because it's high school and we don't talk about it that much. But I feel like when I was, like before I came here, I didn't, I wasn't around as many people that did therapy or like, you know, we're on, you know, anxiety, like medication or things like that. But now being in college, I feel like the majority.

of my friends have either seen a therapist or are talking to one. And not because like things are like really terrible, but it's just like, they know that it helps them and they have like a relationship with the person that they're talking to. So it feels like, you know, they can actually get something out of the conversation. Um, so in that way, I feel like maybe my approach to therapy is like, it has changed because I've

Like I'm around more people that like have seen the benefits from it. Um, but there's also like.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

If you needed therapy, like if you wanted to pursue mental health support, would you tell your dad and I ahead of time or would you just go seek it yourself?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well, I've had like friends try to go do it at school. They have it at school. But I don't know if it was like the best experience. So I'd probably just ask you guys. I don't really feel, I don't feel like, I don't know. Some people, yeah, unfortunately some people do, but like I feel like I would just ask you because then I could.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

stigma or shame about asking for it.

Nadia Herrera-Set

you know, find one that actually fits me instead of like trying to find a free one on campus, you know, like it's just different. Um, yeah, I don't know. Therapy is good. I don't, I feel like I should. I feel like, I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, it really, it's a nice thing. Like I didn't seek a lot of therapy before. I don't know if that's just like there wasn't a need or if that wasn't, if it was because there was like stigma attached to it or maybe because of the money associated with it. But then I did see somebody last year. Last year? Yeah, last year. And it was so nice. She was so lovely.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

And it felt really good to talk to somebody that would... Like, people always say, like, I can talk to my friends, I can talk to my family. It's really different to talk to somebody that you're paying to listen to you and that's not part of your life and maybe can say things that make you feel like... Like, their responses make you feel heard, you know? And...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right, right.

Right, right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I don't know, I didn't see her for very long. It just like, it felt good to do it. And then I recently recommended this therapist to somebody else who also had never seen a therapist. She's a little bit older than me, had never seen a therapist. And she's like, I just, you know, it's so hard to go out there and find somebody. Like, I don't know if I'm gonna find the right fit, blah, blah. I'm like, just see this person, she's really nice. And I saw that person that I recommended the therapist to.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm

Alyssa Herrera-Set

this past week and she's like, oh my God, it's so nice to talk to her. So it felt good to go to therapy, have it feel good and then pass on the permission and information to somebody else to go seek a therapist. And I was so glad that I could give somebody that I thought was a good resource.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah. That is, I don't know. I've never, I have like the amount of like pros that I hear that they're being comparison to like, like one bad experience. I feel like, like everyone should try. But I, it does, yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

That's a good point. Yeah, but it does cost money too, right? So it's like one bad experience plus it costs you, whatever it costs you. It's hard sometimes when like maybe like part of your, the reason why you need some support is because you're having some financial issues, you know? It's, yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Right. Yeah. It's also hard, especially with like being in college. It's like, I feel like, well, but I mean...

I guess maybe in when I tried to go to therapy before it didn't really, I wasn't really open with everything that was happening. Also because like, I just felt like whatever I was feeling wasn't really that like whatever was like causing my anxiety wasn't that valid. And so you ended like not sharing as much which and now in college, like you don't want to have to tell your therapist like all these things. So then you just end up like, I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna see him anymore. I'm not gonna see her anymore.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, maybe that's why it takes time, because it takes time to get to the point where you're like, all right, fine, I'm just gonna tell you the things.

Nadia Herrera-Set

because like, yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, but...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Anyway, I'm glad you're managing your panic and anxiety and overwhelm in a relatively productive way in a way that's working for you right now. But if you do need mental health support, yeah, you know, you can tell your dad and I.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Alright, nice talking to you. That was a long one. It just flowed.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Nice talking to you too. Yeah. And I'll see you literally tomorrow.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yay. All right, bye.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Okay, bye.

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Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Hey Nadia, I'm loving your headphones and hoodie look. You're looking kind of hip hop.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Hello.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
It's really, really cold here.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I know we're sure in the video we're going to be showing the difference between California and Massachusetts. It's pretty warm here right now, not hot, but warm.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
I'm going to go to bed.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah, it's winter. It is. Okay. Well, it's 52 degrees, but it's like windy out. And yesterday was like, I had a class at nine 15 and it was 30 degrees. It was winter. Um, so I had to.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
What's the temperature over there?

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I just looked at a map this morning that talked about how it's going to be an El Nino winter, and it showed where there's going to be more snow than usual and less snow than usual. And in Tahoe, where I go for snow, there's going to be more snow than usual, and in Boston, there's going to be less snow than usual.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Uh huh.

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Oh, perfect.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I guess that doesn't mean it's not gonna be cold.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Well, it's gonna be cold, but like the snow makes it worse sometimes. And I'm slipping and sliding everywhere and it's just really annoying.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
All right. So I love how we're kind of like pushing into this next episode. I'm excited to ask my questions, but I know that you're not that excited about it. So I just turned on recording me to start going. But let's start with a soft entry. How's gymnastics going? You didn't do gymnastics for basically 18 months.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Ha ha

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So you did it your whole life and then took a break. Actually want to hear about that a little bit. Like what made you decide to after 18 months start gymnastics again? And like, did you ever during that 18 months think that you were going to go back to gymnastics?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Um, no. Well, I obviously I missed gymnastics a lot during those 18 months, but it, um, I've been doing it my whole life, so I really needed that break. And I really enjoyed having that break. It was like, it made me realize just how much anxiety, like, just how it really, like, how gymnastics affected me mentally and emotionally. I mean, and physically, obviously, but.

It was good to have that break and then as you know like over the summer before this semester I was really against like joining the club gymnastics team not because like I Thought it was gonna be bad, but just because I know I really didn't want to like do gymnastics like that ever again

But then as I said, I think I said another episode that I just like ended up going to the interest meeting for the gymnastics club and everyone was super nice and it was super low commitment in comparison to my other, like my previous gymnastics experience. So that really incentivized me to just go to the tryouts and...

It's like really funny when I talk to like my teammates about it because they're like, Oh, did you like train over the summer for this or did you do any? I was like, no, I literally didn't know gymnastics. I did gymnastics once and I barely did anything. And I just showed up to these tryouts. It wasn't like what you would normally expect to try out to be like. But obviously, I was there doing my skills and I just kind of went for it, which is kind of crazy. But.

I don't know. It was, and then I got on the team. I got on the competitive team. And then after the, and also like after the tryouts, it was like, although I was so against joining before, like now, like if I didn't get on the team, I knew I was going to be upset. So like, yeah, my head was like, now I really need to like get on. But then, and then I did. And then it kind of hit me like I'm, now I'm like back in it again. Like I'm going to have to compete next semester and like for the next four years. But it's a lot of fun. And I feel like I tell like all my like teammates, like I feel like it's healing my like gymnastics trauma from before just because like this is literally all on my terms. Like I am doing whatever I want, which is a lot of fun.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So, you know, in case your old coaches are listening to this episode, maybe we need to clarify like, you know, what you mean by old traumas so that, you know, they don't feel like they've been thrown under the bus.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Clarify.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
No, I mean, like, just like, I don't know. I a lot of the times, like throughout the years in like middle school, high school, I like nothing to do with like it didn't always have to do with like coaches or like anything that I did at practice in general. But like the anxiety before entering the gym was a lot. And like that was all I was thinking about was competitions or what I was going to be doing next practice or like.

what went wrong in different practice. And it was, it's tiring mentally. And also like to be a competitive J.O. gymnast, there's like disciplines that go with that. And you can't like, it's not always gonna be a lot, like all fun and games because you just, like you have to prepare for these competitions. Whereas like for the club gymnastics, you still have to prepare but.

There's lower stakes and I don't know. There's like just a different feel to it and it's fun to kind of be my own coach but then also like go back to what I was so comfortable with before. I don't know. It's a weird feeling but.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
I'm going to have to interview again right before your first competition or after your first competition and see how you feel. But it sounds to me like a lot of what you're talking about is trauma when you were younger in gymnastics was some of the feeling that you put on yourself. It was your environment and the situation.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Oh yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Thank you.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
and the intensity of the coaching and the intensity of just a sport, the vibe of the sport in general. But it was like also how you interpreted the situation and the things that were going on in your head. So how are you dealing with that now? Is it just a change of environment and vibe that makes the stories in your head change? Or are you...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Are you consciously changing the stories? Why isn't it as anxiety provoking when you go into practice now?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Probably both. I don't know. I get to choose. It's only two days a week. Two hours per practice. That's four hours a week. In comparison to like 20 hours a week I did before. I get to choose when I get to go. I don't know. There's just like...

new idea of like I get to choose. I have a choice. It's not. I mean I did have a choice before. But I was always in my head about missing practice and like I don't know doing you want to be perfect for your coaches too. So but this time I'm just do like I'm doing well for me. I don't know. It's like it's like I think it's mostly me.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
hehe

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I was talking about it out loud. No, he does, but like, it's a different dynamic. That's another thing. The dynamic is a lot different. Like, the coach is there obviously to coach and to like be there to help us out, but he's like, he's not coaching the same way that like a JO coach is coaching you.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Does your coach, you have a coach now, does he not care how well you do?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Like he's on the on the in the background basically obviously watching like a consultant. Yeah, and the president of the club like in the whole like eward of the club are girls on the team and those are technically the people who are also consulting so it's like You get to be like friends with you know, like it's a whole different dynamic, which is super interesting Yeah

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Like a consultant.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Yeah, there's like an age dynamic to right like when you were doing gymnastics, you keep seeing J. O. which for the listeners out there that means Junior Olympic and that was the way that it used to be called when Nadia was in gymnastics, the people that are like progressing through the kind of more competitive levels in gymnastics. It's now called developmental. So anyway,

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
development.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So when you started what you call J.O., you were little, like nine years old, your first competition season. And you started gymnastics when you were like zero, basically. And then your first competitive season was when you were nine years old, then your coach is like in his or her 30s or older. And there's a

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Uh-huh.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
definite like feeling there of like, okay, you're older than me, you're like, I'm supposed to respect you because you're my coach, and because you're older than me. And, you know, you're me. Yeah. And now

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Yeah, it was like a power thing. And then growing up with the same coaches, although like I'm getting older, like the power dynamic is still there from when I was little. And like now there's like, there's a power dynamic, but it's almost, I don't know. There's like, I don't know. It's different being like, bossed around by your friends.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Yeah, I think also four hours makes a big difference. When you're little and your 20 hours of your week is gymnastics, that makes up like your entire identity. And now you're an adult with like lots of things going on, lots of things like, you know, that you would associate with as shaping your identity, defining your identity. You are only doing it for four hours. So it's not like your everything, whereas before it was basically your everything. So that's kind of nerve wracking too.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Right. Exactly.

Hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. And there's like a team dynamic too. And like when you're growing up, like there's a lot of competitiveness between you and your teammates and you obviously you want to win. And I mean, gymnastics never really came easily for me. So it was never really like the best on the team. But when I like, there's a very competitive nature of being on a gymnastics team and in a different way than it is in other sports. And here in the club team, I feel like I can, like there's less of that. Like everyone just wants to have fun and to do well. So we're gonna like all support each other, which I guess also is an age thing since we're all in college, but yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Right. And I thought also before you are competing for lots of different reasons, but I guess one of them is like your thoughts are you're trying to get to this certain level, like level 10 or elite by a certain age so that you can go to college gymnastics. And now where you're at, it's not like you're doing the gymnastics to get to something else. You're already there.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right, right.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Right. And also the level that we're competing at, well the thing is I need to work up to my skills, but the level we're competing at is lower than the level that I ended up at. However, I still don't have those skills. So it's a whole, I think it's also kind of a fun game for me to be like, wow, all these things that I thought were easy before are actually very difficult and I like...

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
It's fun to be challenged in that way.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Yeah. So I guess in case anybody is wondering, you know, you think about college gymnastics as most people think of NCAA gymnastics, like the UCLA gymnasts or the, I don't know, who else, what the normal person that doesn't think much about gymnastics thinks about, but maybe probably UCLA gymnastics is what they think about when they see it. So that's NCAA. And then

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Michigan Yeah

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Nadi is not doing NCAA division one, two or three. She's doing club college club gymnastics, which they still compete against.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
I think it's like NAIGC or something like that.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  Right, NAIGC. So it's and it's a club team. And so I don't know how many people are familiar that with club sports in college, but I remember from college there being intramurals, which is like basically, you're competing against other people at your school. But club, club sports is somewhere in between in that you're competing against other schools.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
You're right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
representing your school, but it's not NCAA Division I, II, or III.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Right. And like another thing is like it's not like necessarily funded that much by the school. You get like kind of a little bit. I'm actually not really sure how it works, but we had to do like a lot of fundraising for things like nationals was like we don't get that money from the school like an actual like recognized team would do you want to?

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Right. Your school's not paying for your uniform or providing you gym... Well, I guess maybe they do provide you gym space.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I actually don't know what our history is, but...

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Right, right.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Well, it's the coaches gym. So I don't know how that works, but we get to use like a northeastern van to go to the gym. So I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Yeah, so okay, but this is like a long intro to the main reason why we got on this phone call, which was the topic that I wanted to bring up, which is leaking in sports. And this is like, you know, you don't want to like, I don't know, expose yourself. But I just want to say out there that like, before this podcast became Nadia and I, it was my really good friend, who's a physical

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Hehehehe...

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Tanya is a pelvic floor specialist. So she's a kind of physical therapist that works with people that have problems that they want to address in their pelvic area. It can be a lot of different things that we've talked about in the past, but one of which is leaking. And sometimes people leak because they have what's called like an urgency incontinence. And they like, you guys might be familiar with this, but someone who needs to run to the bathroom because they like all of a sudden have to pee really badly.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Um, and then they might leak a little bit on the way to the bathroom or like as they're unlocking the door or unzipping their pants. So that's like an urgency incontinence. There's also a stress incontinence, stress urinary incontinence, which, um, is basically when the pressure of like, um, the pressure around your bladder, uh, takes, is too much for the muscles to control the urine from leaking out. And so you

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Thank you.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
leak when you, for example, run and jump. I bet a bunch of women out there can relate to this, but in general terms, you've heard people say, oh my God, I laughed so hard, I was going to almost peed my pants. Or like, oh my gosh, I peed a little bit when I sneezed. Or I can't jump on the trampoline because I feel like I'm going to leak my pants when I jump on the trampoline. These are common things that are like...

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Thank you.

Uh-huh.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
I want to say previously embarrassing to talk about, but I guess it probably still is embarrassing to talk about. And so I wanted to talk about what the culture is around leaking in gymnastics. And maybe you have not much to say, but how much do, in your experience with your old teammates and then your current teammates, how much are people talking about leaking?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Amen.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Um, I think as you got older, it was, I feel like when I was younger and it happened, like, it's-

was it's like recognized as like that's only a you thing like nobody this is not happening to anyone but as you got older and I feel like as I grew up with my teammates from home like we talked about it more and like I don't know it became a really normalized thing not necessarily to talk about but just like a known thing and almost to the point where like Like my coach would just laugh at like us if we ran to the bathroom

after being on floor. Like it was just like, which I feel like made it more, I made it normalized and it made it like less of like a weird thing that's happening. But definitely, I think even in, I mean, like now too, I think it just has to do with age and just like knowing what's happening with your body and be more comfortable with your body.

The conversation's there, but nobody really does anything about it. Like that's like, we can talk about it, but we don't know why it's happening or how to fix it. We're just gonna like let it happen and like laugh about it. Like, oh, I'm not gonna do this because I know I like, I feel like I know I'm gonna like pee my pants. Like, hey, not like that, but like, oh, I know after I do this, like I'm gonna have to go to the bathroom. Or I should probably go to the bathroom before four because like I don't want.

I don't want to like, you know, I've answered my full routine. Like stuff like that. Like we can talk, I could talk about that with my teammates and my teammates could talk about that with me, but we're not like necessarily gonna find anything, any solutions for it. We just like let it happen.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
It is so interesting because I think like, I'm like, I'm straddling here between being like mom talking to daughter and then like someone that like, you know, healthcare practitioner that kind of deals with this sometimes with other athletes. But I guess I'm going into the healthcare practitioner mode. It is pretty common. There are studies that show that up to

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Uh huh.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
There have been whole teams, whole elite teams that have been polled to see how many of them have incontinence, and the answer was 100%. But the ranges of the different studies of how much people are having urinary incontinence during gymnastics is somewhere between 30% and 80%. So that's a wide range, but you can guess somewhere in between there. And this is important because

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
First of all, you can imagine if someone's leaking all the time and it's embarrassing or whatever, they might not do gymnastics anymore if they feel like they're leaking too much, or they might feel like they'll hold back on skills. So it's important that way. It's also important because your pelvic floor muscles, the ones that help you prevent leaking, are part of your core. So it's important to work on those muscles for performance also, like ability to have a strong core. And that doesn't mean just like contracting and strengthening by contracting, but also relaxing. And then it's also important because there are things, like it should be talked about because there are things that can be done about it. If you're still leaking, like the stories that I've heard from gymnasts when they do leak all the time, but they wanna do gymnastics still is they'll do things that like use, like period underwear when they're doing gymnastics so that it doesn't like leak through to their leotard. They'll use pads. They will, they'll actually, this is kind of interesting. They'll use a tampon. So that doesn't really make sense to you, right? It's like, shrunch your eyebrows. Like how does a tampon help with keying? Isn't that a different hole?
Nadia Herrera-Set  Like, how does that make it like, feel like you're like, is it like a mental thing? Like you feel more like control of your muscles. Cause I don't know. Or like a physical thing, but like.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
It's not a mental thing. It's a physical thing. It's like pushing against the muscles. It's helping support the area by kind of helping create full up space so that the muscles don't have to work so hard because they're getting like kind of supported.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Oh, that's really interesting. I think... I...

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
personally would use panty liners. I don't like wearing pads when I'm doing gymnastics. I don't like wearing pads in general because they're just really uncomfortable. But especially in gymnastics, it's like the worst. Imagine like doing gymnastics in a diaper anyways. But I also think that that, because of like, like you know what I'm saying, but also because of periods, like I feel like it kind of like.

goes hand in hand a little bit is when like girls start wearing shorts, spandex to practice and all that kind of thing. So which?

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Right. So it'll show less. Like if you're wearing black shorts, for example, then you won't be able to see the leaking if it happens for both period and...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right. And you feel less exposed in general, but I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Right. I guess we can talk about hair removal in a future episode. Anyway, I do want to bring in someone who is actually not your mom, but someone who is a pelvic floor specialist that works with a lot of athletes. So we should do that in the future. Has anybody ever like fully leaked you or someone you know, like so that they have to wear a new leotard? Like you're in competition and you have like this wet spot in your leotard.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Ah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
It's actually like... Well for me I wear underwear. That's another thing. Like-

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
But still, I mean, like, what if they leak so much that it's, like, dripping?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
It's never, well, okay. In personal experience during a competition it hasn't happened like that. Like you will leak during a competition, but you go, like I personally would go to the bathroom before things, you know, before I go to floor, just like, like it's a just in case type thing. But like during practice, like.

Alyssa Herrera-Set ( 
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
if you really have to go pee and then something like it, if you're doing four and you also really have to go to the bathroom, sometimes it's bad and you just have to run to the bathroom. But I've never had to like change my leotard. It's just kind of something that you're going to have to deal with. And also it's not necessarily easy to be seen. It depends on the leotard you're wearing. I feel like

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Right. I mean, I feel bad for the people who have, like, I don't know, light-colored leotards, you know, or, yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
It's not like light colored. It's like if it's one color, if there's a pattern on it, it's less noticeable And if like you have like which is like with younger girls, they're not gonna they're not usually wearing the ones that I mean When I was younger, they're not usually wearing the ones with patterns. It's like the ones with They're just plain color, which I guess maybe not that's not everyone But for me personally, I wore the one color ones when I was younger, which makes it like way more noticeable

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
hehe

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Couldn't you have a dark spot in the middle?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah, and like, I don't know. I guess it's an embarrassing thing throughout.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Um, okay. So... Oh, as you were talking, I was like, I had a question. Have you ever been in a competition, like competing on floor or on beam, because those routines are longer? Were you thought in the middle of your routine, as you're performing, oh my gosh, I have to go to the bathroom? Has it ever like...

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
No, I mean, if I'm going to be honest, like I kind of black out during those routines because I'm so nervous. But I think that things like sneezing, having to cough, like having a runny nose, like all those things, like honestly, I don't know what happens, but just stops like I can't like I don't think about anything unless something hurts, then I can think about that. But like I never had to like

Like you're not gonna stop your team to sneeze. That's like a fear, but like you've never, I've never had to do that because you're not thinking about that. And I don't know. I've never like, I mean.

Not that I really had to go pee, but like, oh, like I just like, I don't know. It, it, it like, you're not thinking about those things. I mean, I'm not, I'm so focused on like what I'm doing there, which I guess you have to be that like, I'm not thinking like, oh my goodness, I really, really have to go pee right now. I might have to run to the bathroom after. So you realize after I salute, but like, not like during, which I guess.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
That's so interesting. Actually don't know, I should know probably, but I don't know the physiology behind. Why does nobody sneeze in the middle of their performance? Like...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Thank you.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I honestly am just like so focused on what I'm doing and like, I don't know.

It's very interesting. Um, but yeah. Never had to go pee during a routine.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Yeah, that's interesting.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
You might not be, I mean, this is just your experience. I'm thinking that if you asked other people, maybe who aren't as nervous as you or as focused as you or have more of an issue with incontinence, it might run through their mind right before they tumble or something like that. Yeah. Well.

Nadia Herrera-Set  Mm-hmm. They might.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah. Not me. Too nervous.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I just want to say while we're publicly speaking, I asked you when you got on the team to send me your competition schedule so I could watch.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I don't have a weight I kind of do.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I mean, gosh, I have frat flu from you. Anyway, I asked you for your competition schedule so I could watch. And you're like, you're not coming to watch. But while we're here, when people are listening, can I come watch?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
No.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I mean you can't. No? Well, yes you can watch, but it's gonna be here. I mean you might be here. You might be here. For one of them. I have no clue. I haven't.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Okay, maybe I'll come to your...

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Well, maybe I can go to your nationals.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Albuquerque.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Yeah, I've never been to New Mexico. I wanna go to New Mexico.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Me too.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Um, all right. Well, nice talking to you, Nadia. Thanks for sharing your story. I know that you were like bracing yourself for what kind of things you're going to expose about yourself, but was that okay? All right. All right. Have a good weekend. Bye-bye.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah. Hehehehe.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Yeah, it was fine. It's okay. I'm open.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Bye.

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How to nourish yourself in college with Wendy Sterling, RD

Alyssa Herrera-Set: Good morning! Hi Nadia, hi Wendy!

Wendy Sterling, RD: Hello!

Alyssa Herrera-Set: We are so excited to have you here today, Wendy. Wendy and I have worked together in the San Francisco Bay area on efforts to keep gymnasts healthy and so I'm really excited to have her on the podcast today. I'm going to introduce her and then Nadia has a few questions addressing some of the stuff we talked about in an earlier podcast about eating healthy in college and diet culture in college and also Eating Disorders. Let me start by introducing Wendy: Wendy Sterling is a certified eating disorder registered dietitian and a board certified specialist in sports dietetics. She specializes in Sports Nutrition, eating disorders, and utilizes a non-diet health at every size approach in her practice. Wendy maintains a private practice in the Bay Area California and sees clients virtually throughout the country. Wendy is an author on multiple books that focus on eating disorders and Body Image. Her latest book publishes next month and is called How to Nourish Yourself Through an Eating Disorder. in addition to working with local high schools and colleges, she has consulted with professional sports teams including the Oakland A's, the Golden State Warriors, the New York Jets and the New York Islanders .Wendy received her degree in dietetics and nutritional Sciences from Cornell University. She earned a master's degree in nutrition education at teach college at Columbia University, where she also completed her dietetic internship. Wendy is a former competitive dancer and All American cheerleader. Welcome Wendy!

Wendy STerling: Thank you. Thanks to you both for having me this morning!

Nadia Herrera-Set: Of course! My first question: a lot of uh our listeners are college students who are trying to decide what career they want to pursue. I wanted to ask you if you could tell us a little bit about how you decided to become a registered dietician ,and what the difference is between a registered dietitian and a nutritionist?

Wendy Sterling: Yeah, good question. so I picked nutrition um as my major literally out of uh a catalog. My sister was a Psychology major and I was very interested in that too. But as younger sisters will do, I wasn't going to do what she did. She was at Cornell at the time, and I fell in love with the college. And so I was looking through that big red book that came in the mail and I stumbled upon nutrition and I was like “wow you know this is awesome!” I was really attached to the Sciences I was really kind of nerdy that way. I loved chemistry and biology and I I really didn't want to give that up you know for example if I went into psychology. I loved the idea of working with people. I was a dancer, I was doing that ever since I could walk and so the idea of being able to fuel people, educate them, while also keeping the Sciences? Tt just seemed like a perfect fit. As for your second question about the difference between a dietitian and a nutritionist, really anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. There's not really any regulation. When you use the word dietitian, you're referring to a registered dietician which has certification and certain schooling and requirements, plus a uh formalized dietetic internship program that you apply for and get training in various categories like clinical nutrition and some food service and Community rotations. There's like a structure in a program. Finally, you'll take a test to become a registered dietitian. When you see a registered dietician we know that it is certified, whereas when we see nutritionist, we don't know what that means. Like anyone at the gym could be a nutritionist, or you know the person at the grocery store could be like “oh yeah I'm a nutritionist.” And so sometimes people use the word nutritionist because it more casual, but I think when you go through the schooling, you know, we tend to prefer registered dietician.

Nadia: Yeah, it's definitely interesting if people can just offer their advice and because they have the title of “nutritionist,” people will just end up believing them when they might not have the education for that.

Alyssa: I've actually like, as a physical therapist, when I have um athletes come in at the On the Move PT clinic, I encourage them to get some specialty advice regarding nutrition. Oftentimes, they reach out to a nutritionist and I get a little bit concerned because I don't know what their educational background is. So I really wanted you to be able to answer that question for our audience because I don't think the average person realizes that there's a difference between registered dietitian and nutritionist.

Wendy Sterling: And I'm sure there are really educated nutritionists out there who have done a ton of work and can give you some great information. But there are also some that just carry the title “nutritionist” and put it after their name because you know they've done some weekend work or they care about it a lot or whatever, but don't have a lot of scientific background necessarily behind their advice. I think it's really important for young folks out there, for everybody out there, to understand the difference. And I guess while we're on the topic, I might as well add that there are lots of influencers on social media who have hundreds of thousands of followers and often don't have any credentials as well, right. And they will interact very intimately with their followers and provide lots of really beautiful videos, and are very seductive in their messaging. But often the messaging that they're giving is not accurate for, let's say, a teenager. Or not accurate for the person who's listening. And so we always will also say “hey, who are you following?” and like “are they reputable?” and “do they have the appropriate credentials?” just to kind of make sure. Because a lot of times, people are taking the material that they're getting from social media as face value. And often, they don't have access to a registered dietitian and that is the only information they're getting.

Nadia: Yeah that's, I mean, that's very important to hear. Personally on Tik Tok I get those videos all the time: people offering like dieting or food advice. And obviously there's people that are taking their advice but you never know what intentions they have and if it even like can be applicable to the person watching.

Alyssa: On a previous episode we talked about parents who incentivize their kids to not gain the Freshman 15. What are your thoughts on that?
Wendy Sterling: Oh you can't imagine how much I hate that. I'm really sorry for anyone who has had that happen to them. I mean, I really felt, when I like saw that you might be asking that, I — my heart just felt really broken at the thought of that. I think what that says to the kid is “gosh, you know, your weight is so important to me that I am going to pay you to stay at this weight.” And kids don't forget that. That stays with them forever. And not only does it stay with them forever, but the weight at which they were paid to stay at also stays with them forever. So that should they exceed that weight, which by the way most likely they will because the weight at which they are as a freshman in college is not meant to be their forever weight (there's no forever weight bodies are changing, especially as a freshman you know our our bodies and hormones and our you everything is just evolving right), but when they when they exceed that weight they remember “gosh I was this number when I was younger and it causes a lot of shame and it causes a lot of body image dissatisfaction. It’s also sending the message that should my body change, my family won't approve of me. And so it's a really unfortunate paradigm that a family would set up for their kid upon going to school. There seems to be so many more important things to be thinking about with your kid as they are leaving for college… Alcohol, for example, might be another one. Or safety, you know?

Nadia: Yeah, yeah I definitely, I mean my freshman year of college which was just last year it's very hard to be living away from your parents and having to choose your own food to begin with. So I can't imagine like having to think about “oh if I'm eating this I might you know… thinking about my weight and all this because I'm just trying to like not be hungry all day”

Alyssa: Totally. But yeah, on that note it's tough for a parent to figure out when to keep their mouth shut when they think that their offspring, their adult child, is making unhealthy decisions whether that's eating unhealthily or not sleeping well or partying too much, making some questionable friends all those things. Like as a as a parent of a kid who's just like gone to college, you don't know when to speak up and when not to, right? So um what are your thoughts about the communication between a parent and a child regarding healthy eating once they're in college? Like how much should we be saying? I mean actually I'll give you a personal… can I share Nadia? can I share our experience? Okay so, one time I was telling Nadia I was like oh so you know we had this conversation and it was probably right before lunch and I was like “so um you're living in the dorms, what did you have for breakfast this morning?” and she's like “um I had apples.” and I was like “oh, where did you get that from? Did you get that from the the dining Commons or from Trader Joe's?” and she… I don't remember what she said. And then I was like “okay… and where are you off to now?” she's like “I'm off to lunch.” she's like “I'm gonna go get Popeye's fried chicken sandwich.” and I was like hmmm. she's like “I'm going to do a meal exchange at popeye's for a fried chicken sandwich.” I'm like “Is that really the healthiest choice?” and she's like “I don't need to tell you everything I'm eating.” so I was like oop. I went a little bit too far. so I guess yeah, so that's my question… Like how would you navigate that?

Wendy Sterling: Yeah, parents almost always say too much. And you know the the focus ideally you know, it's tricky. I think when kids are probably out of the house because you're not seeing everything. Like in in the case with Nadia, I'm sure she's not going to popeye's all all the time every day is probably my my guess. And you know so I think it's a little trickier for parents commenting. Your adult kid is reporting one thing and then you're reacting, but you don't see what's happening every day. It's hard not to react because sometimes you get tidbits of information and then it feels a little bit provocative, and you want to say something. But what you don't know is the rest of the seven days: the seven breakfasts, whatever else she had for lunch. So sometimes you can just get curious rather than being reactive like “oh like you know Popeyes? Like where else do you go with your friends?” or “Do you go to the dining hall?” or like “what do you are you eating in the dining hall?” You know? You can ask some more questions. That might be one thing, but I think as it pertains to the kids who are in the house more, parents almost always say too much. And what we really want to do is to try to create this peaceful relationship with food and body where where all foods and all bodies really are welcome. But instead there does tend to be a lot of scrutiny where comments about what kids are eating and how much they're eating. And the reality is like no one else could know how much you need or how much another body needs. Appetites vary day-to- day and it even varies meal to meal. So even in that example you know with Nadia, like she didn't have much breakfast and most likely she needed a much bigger lunch because she was probably really hungry. So if someone observed her at lunch and made a comment about what she was eating volume wise, they would have not known that she was really hungry because she didn't have morning snack and she didn't have breakfast. We often see parents coming in in the middle and kind of then saying things like “wow do you need all that?” or like “you have such a big appetite” and this really discourages kids from satisfying their full hunger and can alter the course of the rest of their day because maybe then they don't finish what they actually needed or they restrict or causes a lot of guilt and shame. And then you know this idea of like oh these are good foods and then these bad foods, it can then create guilt or shame because then it feels like I'm eating the wrong thing or I ate a bad thing. But really if like all food was just okay and neutral, then it would really lead to a lot more peace. But we see it trickling into body image because if somebody ate the wrong thing or bad thing that's deemed that way in a parent eyes, then all of a sudden you start to feel really dissatisfied and uncomfortable in your body.

Alyssa: I mean I think that's what we tend to do. It's very complicated. I'll keep my mouth shut more (laughs).

Nadia: I mean I personally don't remember that conversation but it really stuck with her.

Alyssa: It did. I was like oh this is was like a red flag this is going in the wrong direction, I need to change course I need to change the way that I'm communicating with my daughter. I'm glad it didn't stick in your mind.

Nadia: I must have been having a bad day. My next question: like myself, kids who do high school School sports often see a huge decline in the amount of exercise they get in at the start of college and even throughout college. Do you have any nutritional tips for transitioning away from a 10 to 20 hour like exercise routine per week to just working out a few hours a week on your own?

Wendy Sterling: Yeah, the biggest thing is that nutritional needs most likely in that scenario will decrease and the frequency with which somebody is taking their pre and their post-workout fueling snacks and the composition of one's plates are going to shift in terms of how we're recommending the macronutrients on the plate, in terms of the volume of carbohydrates are going to shift to a different kind of plate. When the intensity, the frequency, the duration of one's training changes that way. What we want to kind of begin to coach our athletes on is their hunger and their fullness as well. I think a lot of times when somebody's training and training intensely they really can't necessarily, they don't necessarily feel their hunger. Sometimes the hunger levels are suppressed with really intense training. I think when training decreases to kind of a low to moderate level it's maybe easier to feel hunger and so we begin to say like hey are you hungry? Are you full? Where is your hunger level, where is your fullness level? So we'll begin to coach them on that. Then something else that I see happening when people are transitioning out of their sport is actually that people start picking up other sports and I think sometimes they don't realize that even though it's not their main sport, there's a significant impact potentially in their new set of training. In the types of training that they're doing. So for example, a gymnast might decide that he or she or they like running and all of a sudden, they never ran before it wasn't part of their training, but now there's a significant impact that their running has on their energy needs. And even though it's not 10 to 20 hours it's quite possible that there's a significant energy cost associated with that training. And sometimes our athletes get into a state of energy deficiency even post-retirement. Like in retirement, and that always surprises them. And we see that a lot actually, it's actually called relative energy deficiency in sport. The acronym is called REDS and it can happen in season like in the height of their sport and it can also happen in retirement as people all of a sudden become cyclists out of the blue, or they start training for a marathon, or they start training for something else um they just don't they don't account for things that actually aren't making them sweat the same way they used to sweat. For example walking the dog for three to four miles they're like “ah it's not exercise it's not movement doesn't really count” but actually if you're walking the dog three to four miles and then you're running later that day and then you're also walking to the supermarket, all of these things actually need to be accounted for um with your food.

Nadia: Great advice, thank you. So we talked a little bit and during your intro about how you are specialized in Eating Disorders. My question is what can a college student do if they suspect that their friend has an eating disorder?

Sterling: I think it's good to confront the friend and to talk about it with the friend and see if the friend needs some support. We've had some circumstances actually where friends have reached out to the parents or the support system of that suspected person with an eating disorder. Eating Disorders can be really sneaky. A lot of people are in denial about that so it can often take a lot of repeated advances to kind of get somebody that help that they need. I think that friends always they can always make a change because maybe the person, whether or not they realize it, hearing it from someone they respect and also listen to all the time changes things.

Alyssa: Do you have any advice on words you might use with your friend? Like would you be casual about it, would you be direct?

Sterling: You know yeah I think honest and I think also pointing out like “you seem really tired, you seem irritable, you seem different” you know pointing out some of the things that have caught your attention… “I'm concerned about you, I've noticed that you no longer come out with us, I noticed that you no longer are at lunch with us anymore” you know. “I notice that you're always exercising, have you seen a doctor?” We don't want to be accusing of them, you just sort of want to state your observations kind of neutrally. You don't want to attack and you certainly don't necessarily want to um comment on weight and body necessarily. But I think loving kind gentle uh is is certainly the approach that I would recommend. And not necessarily using the words disordered eating or like that. I wouldn't diagnose anyone, I would just state your observations of the things that have caught your eye you know? The things that you're worried about.

Alyssa: Okay great advice. So I think you have one more question right, Nadia?

Nadia: Yeah one more question it's do you have any tips on getting the right nutrients and healthy food when you're eating on a budget whether it's from the cafeteria or buying food on your own?

Sterling: Yeah, so our approach that we use in eating disorder recovery but I also use it with my athletes is called the plate by plate approach and that is where we are recommending that you're filling the plate with all five food groups. That's protein, starch, a dairy or a dairy alternative, vegetables or fruit, and fats. And that way you're really getting all of your nutrients in. So if you think about going into the dining hall and looking for source of protein whether that's chicken or meat or if you're a vegetarian beans or tofu, and then thinking in terms of what starch: what am I going to fill my plate with whether that's rice or pasta or some kind of grain, breads, cereals, waffles you know whatever that is. And then looking for some kind of calcium source: cheese, dairy, milk, soy milk. And then some kind of vegetable or fruit and then think about what kind of fat source. And then in terms of budget if you are not in a dining hall and you're on your own you know milk is a very inexpensive source of calcium. Cheap proteins are eggs and beans and you know chicken doesn't have to be that expensive. Refried beans which by the way is a misnomer, there's not actually much fat, anyway. But things like that are are pretty cheap. Tuna is a pretty inexpensive source of protein, rice is inexpensive, and then frozen fruits and vegetables which don't get much attention are actually a wonderful nutrient rich way um for people on a budget to get in lots of good anti-inflammatory um sources of fiber. And the best thing about that is that there really is no waste. I think a lot of times people bring in fresh fruits and vegetables and then there's so much waste because they don't get to it or some gets moldy. But what's really nice about the frozen is that it it's it just really costeffective and there's there's no waste. You can add that to a smoothie, you can thaw it and use it you know right into a bowl um like in the morning. I think that also can help.

Nadia: Yeah I can go to the dining hall but I have a kitchen this year so that's been something that I've been having to figure out on my own. It's definitely hard to buy like the fresh fruits and vegetables because it's not like I'm going to eat every all of it like every single day, and then I'm having to throw it out because before I can even get to it, it's like it's moldy. So the frozen section of Trader Joe's is my friend I think.

Sterling: I think for the dorm too: like things like apples and pears and bananas they tend to last longer and you know it's like the berries that tend to go bad first that make it harder. Those might be good to buy frozen and I know it's hard in a dorm to Store Frozen um but if there is freezer access that that would be that would be good. And then just thinking of meals that you can do like little burritos or quesadillas or things that are just not super expensive that you can get multiple uses out of.

Alyssa: Yeah, definitely thank you. We had a funny we had a funny conversation a couple weeks ago. Nadia showed up on FaceTime and she had this block of frozen chicken like four chicken breasts you know with a plastic on top of it and styrofoam on the bottom or whatever's on the bottom and she's like “I'm eating this tonight.” It's like rock solid. “What do I do about… what do?” I'm like oh my goodness well “Is it sliceable? can you chop into it?” she's like you know hacking at it I was like okay that does not look safe, you're just going have to defrost the whole thing and cook the whole thing and maybe you can freeze some of the stuff that you already made. Maybe you should individually put chicken in the freezer

Sterling: Absolutely, I found my frozen chicken alternative. They're individually Frozen so I don't have to you know do the whole thing and then have to eat all the chicken you made. coms individually Frozen yeah it's like in a bag I mean it's like a weird a weird thing, but if I can just take one out and that's my lunch then you know that's really easy. Yeah, and I think you'll find some tricks along those lines like you can take it out of the freezer and put it in the refrigerator the night before and then it thaws for you which is really nice.

Nadia: Yeah it's definitely a learning process.

Alyssa: It is a learning process and you won't make that mistake again with that (laughs) Everybody goes through that. Wendy I have a question and I don't know if this is going to open up a whole can of worms, I hope it's not too challenging of a question to answer on this podcast. You seem to have a filter towards helping people who are under fueling with relative energy deficiency and people who need to eat a lot for their sport. What about people whose problem is overeating? Is that also called disordered eating and how can you help with that?

Sterling: Yeah we have lots of patients in our practice um who struggle with either bypassing their body's natural stopping place or who truly struggle with something called binge eating disorder. In my next book we are talking about how our plate by plate approach can be used to actually help patients through that. One of the biggest causes of something like overeating or binge eating disorder is actually restriction, so what we find is that people are more likely to buypass their body stopping place if for example they are using a diet mindset. Or they are may be living in a larger body and they are trying to cut back on their food because they are trying to diet, or they're trying to lose weight. And so what tends to happen is they go through their day and they're like oh I'm just going to eat a little bit at breakfast I'm going to eat a little bit at lunch and then they get to dinner and they can't find their natural stopping place and they tend to bypass it. Or alternatively as some of our patients do, and by the way binge eating disorder is the most common eating disorder out there so more people people are struggling with that than any other eating disorder, they binge which is eating a larger amount of food that most would consider to be typical in a certain period of time. The reason that happens is because they haven't had enough to eat throughout the day. They are in deficit from not having had enough um throughout the the day: perhaps missing an afternoon snack that they needed. It's common in athletes, it's common in males, and it's certainly common really common when people restrict. Now there are many causes besides just the physiological cause why people um binge. It can also be emotional, it can be to due to boredom, it can be due to stress. And so we know that there are a combination of factors that lead to why people might binge and so often when we have people that are struggling with for example a binge eating disorder or something like that, we are doing a combination work with a dietitian to look at their food to make sure that they are eating regular and consistent meals with all five food groups: breakfast lunch snack dinner snack. Not skipping meals no dieting, like really eating regularly. They're working often in combination with a therapist to manage stress, to look at alternative coping mechanisms for times when they're feeling bored, and learning to not use food to cope. And so it becomes pretty complicated and we tend to work as a team which is really interesting.

Alyssa: Thank you so much Wendy. We know you have a book coming out next month, can you tell us just before we go a little bit about what services you provide to people and where people can find you ?

Wendy Sterling: Yeah yeah thank you for asking. So I am a sports dietician and an eating disorder specialist. I help athletes with their performance, but I also help adults and teens and kids with both Sports Nutrition or with anyone struggling with eating. Whether that's disordered eating or actual Eating Disorders. My book which is coming out next month is actually for adults and it's to help them through their relationship with food and their eating disorder. I can be found on Instagram, we have a handle called plate-by-plate approach which is for those with eating disorders looking for visuals on what the plate should be with eating disorder messaging. My handle is @wendy_sterling and then my website is sterlingnutrition.com

Alyssa: Perfect thank you so much for being here with us today, Wendy. That was really like helpful like usable information for the college students and for the parents.

Wendy Sterling: I'm so glad thank you so much for having me it's so lovely to connect with you both again.

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Finding your place and community in college w/ Dr. Jeannie Celestial

Dr. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Good morning! Hello Nadia, hello Dr Jeannia Celestial. Listeners I am really excited to bring to you our guest Dr. Jeannie Celestial. Dr Jeanie is a distinguished Filipina-American psychologist and consultant. She supports high achieving women of color nurture healthier relationships with themselves, their families, communities, and the Earth. Her work focuses on liberation psychology and healing trauma holistically: Body Mind and Spirit. Dr Celestial is one of the bestselling authors of the Filipino instant pot cookbook and co-editor co-author of Clinical Interventions for Internalized Oppression. Welcome, Dr Jeannie. Thank you for coming.

Welcome to papaya talk the podcast where we dive into the world of women's health from one generation to the next join us as a motherdaughter Duo as we seek to empower power young women through the sometimes awkward often avoided conversation about our bodies I'm Dr Alisa Herrera set physical therapist in the San Francisco Bay area and I'm n herera Public Health student at Northeastern University in Boston together we're going to share stories insights and expert advice about health self-care and everything in between

Dr. Jeannie Celestial: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Good morning

Alyssa Herrera-Set: So we have a few questions prepared for you and we're going to mostly focus on Nadia's questions for you because I think they're the most important. We previously had a talk about a month ago about finding community and this is when Nadia was just starting her first or her first semester of our second year of college we were talking about finding clubs and creating community for yourself in in college and so she has a few questions for you.

Nadia Herrera-Set Yeah thank you so much for coming today. My first question we have some audience members that are trying to decide what kind of career they want to pursue so can you tell us a little bit about how you decided to become a psychologist?

Dr. Jeannie Celestial: Yeah thank you so much. I'm really excited to be on this podcast and also because I think it's such an important topic and I had difficulties of forging community in college so this is very dear to my heart. How did I be decide to become a psychologist? Well, growing up in a vibrant extended family in the Pacific Islands, I became fascinated with people and relationships. Since adolescence, especially among my second generation friends, they would gravitate toward me to share their problems and help them navigate life struggles. I don't know, I just had a penchant for thinking about and talking to folks about life and relationships. But it wasn't until my senior year at Berkeley that I received my calling to become a Healer of hearts and Minds. I did want to be an agent of social change and I felt like working one-on-one with people and in small groups was the way I was going to do that.

Alyssa Herrera-Set: I really like — I love how you describe it as being a Healer of heart and mind. As a physical therapist, I love that the idea of addressing the mind with the body and maybe with exercise or manual therapy. Thank you for explaining your thought process.

Nadia Herrera-Set: My next question, like you I'm Filipina-American and sometimes I feel unsure about whether or not I fit in with the Filipino Club on campus because my parents aren't immigrants. I don't really speak the language and I also didn't grow up in a high school that had a strong Filipino American Community. My question is: what's some advice that you can give on how to feel more comfortable in situations where you're surrounded by people that you should feel close to but don't?

Dr. Celestial: Yeah really good question. First of all, I would like you and others like you to know and believe that you are Filipino enough. Whatever generation you are ,you hold within you the strength of over 4,000 ancestors from just the last 400 years. You are these ancestors child and you are hardwired for Community. You deserve and can build a community of love and support. I mean just for my own story, I was the only Filipino kid from Vallejo California Hogan high school, yay shout out to my Hogan High School Spartans, who went to Berkeley that year in the 90s. (And I will not say which year * laughs *) But anyway, I felt like a fish out of water, you know? Over 30,000 students, and I felt quite lonely actually. Just through a lot of patience with myself, a lot of crying, a lot of tears and even one moment where I told my high school boyfriend to come pick me up and drive me home back to valjeo and my parents were like: what's wrong with you? and I'm like “I'm dropping out I hate it.” I just rested for a week and then I went back to the dorms.We had answering machines at the time, my answering machine had a few messages of people who were trying to reach out to me while I was gone and then I was like “okay, people do like me and care about me and I I can stick with this” so you know, just breathe and push through the feelings of shyness or awkwardness. Trust yourself in the process and really try to build community one person at a time, one friend at a time. I'm thinking a lot about my computer assigned dorm mate who's usmaan. We did not know each other before Berkeley but are still friends after I don't know almost 30 years.

Alyssa Herrera-Set: Wow, I didn't realize that you were feeling so much like you didn't like want to be at Berkeley

Nadia Herrera-Set: I think a lot of people um would be able to resonate with that with not feeling like you can fit in. In the very beginning of you know coming to college and it's hard to like build that Community. But if you start one by one person at a time, you'll see that there are people that that do care about you and um you can make a community for yourself .

Dr. Jeannie Celestial: Yeah, I must say that it became an invitation from my life to seek therapy for the first time. My college of letters and Sciences academic counselor, Renato Almanor, happened to be Filipino American. I remember in his office he had his framed letter of being on academic probation at UC Davis when he was in college and he said “look, I was on academic probation once and I'm here now today as your counselor.” And so that really helped me realize that we all make mistakes, we all struggle. But we can rise above those struggles.

Alyssa: Yeah, definitely. Actually on that note, so most colleges have Facebook groups for the parents. I'm on a Facebook group for parents of Northeastern students and sometimes the parents ask the other parents what they should do because their child isn't making friends. I'm wondering if you feel like what is your opinion on parents intervening when their adult child isn't making friends in college? When should they step in? And then also like what if they don't see that their adult child is even motivated to make friends? So on both ends: they want to make friends but they're not. Should they intervene or should the parents step in?

Dr. Celestial: Yeah, I would invite a parent to you know really just pause for a moment. We are launching our children out into the world and empowering them to be their own adult. So especially for a parent who has a young adult, to kind of temper their concerns. Especially Asian-American parents who tend to be very achievement oriented or other high achieving parents to just breathe and first reflect. Ask yourself: over the last 18 plus years, what skills have I helped my Offspring (and I'm using Offspring not child to just shift the notion that it's not a minor child but it's an adult child right) and so what skills have I helped this person develop towards relationships? Likely, if you're child is already in college, you already instilled in them a lot of social skills. So what is my Offspring’s strength in building relationships, and would it help to remind them of this strength? You know, start a conversation with your adult child: Remind them of a story where they started a friendship and it stuck and this friendship ended up really scaffolding their upbringing and really bringing a lot of joy and connection in their life. Remind them of those strengths and then then you might shift to asking them: How might I support you? In what ways would you like or need my support? This is then inviting them to define for for you how they want to be supported instead of the parent defining how they want to support the child. I see a lot of head nods from Nadia any thoughts?

Nadia: Well I just think that's really good advice. I feel like when you go to college, you want to feel really independent and so if I mean, fortunately I haven't been in this situation of where like my mom had to intervene and you know ask if I needed help with like making friends and stuff, but I think that making it like a two-way conversation of “how can I support you” instead of “oh you should do this and you should do that,” that I think that would really be helpful.

Dr. Celestial: Yeah, I did want to address Dr alysaa's question about when the child or the The Offspring seems to have no motivation to make friends. Again another excellent question. I would say breathe and take a step back. Pray and discern and ask oneself “okay what is triggering for me about this?” The parent asking themselves “what are my fears?” I do believe coming um being a college graduate and also from a really amazing University, I believe that college is not even so much about learning as about building our community and really the friends that I made at Berkeley have lasted me these last few decades. They are there for me through thick and through thin and through deaths and births and everything in between. I met my husband through my college housemate, I met her through the Filipino clubs, I met her through a faith also through faith-based practice. So these friendships last a lifetime. I believe that relationship building in college is one of the most important aspects of college. Therefore, you know if you do find that your adult child seems to be in a shutdown state, meaning maybe they are kind of in their room all the time with the windows shut and under the covers, I would start to be a little concerned. And so you might want to think about what's going on and you might ask yourself how can I empower them to create spaces where they feel safe. This is what we call a shutdown State and polyvagal Theory. Maybe there was a distress or trauma or some kind of depression going on, or anxiety. You want to help support them to come gently back to their body, and maybe create an activation plan even if it's taking a walk one time a week with their dog or friend and joining organizations or activities where they that are highly structured so they can build connection. That's really important. I do hear that I think I might hear that equally my my kid doesn't want to make friends and I hear that equally as often as my kid is having a hard time making friends. I'm glad that you pointed out how important it is to try to help get them the tools that they need to uh encourage them to create Community.

Nadia: during my first semester I was studying abroad in Greece and I was very fortunate enough to find a group of friends that really supported me through that time. It was definitely a difficult transition going from home to way across the world, but now that I'm on campus I'm looking more into the Campus based groups like the clubs. My question isL does being a part of a group of friends just for friendship have a different significance on someone's mental health than being a part of a club that has a group goal that is not that is other than just friendship?

Dr. Celestial: Great question. I think they are very much related meaning you can make friends in an organization and or you can bring friends to an organization. As you were asking the question I thought about studies that show that mood is improved when doing altruistic acts and also being a part of a community of positive people. And so I kind of feel that being a part of an organization especially in a large college campus might provide some better structure for those types of activities: both finding something that is altruistic or makes the world a better place and also surrounds yourself with positive people who uplift you. I think friends typically come organically but then we find like minded individuals in club clubs and organizations that we might not ordinarily just meet in a grocery store or in a class or on the street. So when I think about my friends that I met in that in college and who I'm still friends with are the ones who I met in organizations or I brought along with me to organizations and we're still very passionate about those things whether it's social justice or Filipino culture or holistic health or medicine things like that. And then you know, no matter where you are you're always going to find people with personalities that you vibe with and personalities that you don't. And I think it's important to learn about what are your musthaves in terms of friends and difficult to tolerate: the list of the things that are difficult to tolerate. And creating healthy boundaries for yourself. Boundaries both with people you want to hang out with and boundaries with those that maybe are not healthy for me or toxic or hurtful to me. And then you want to create healthy boundaries to protect yourself from those type of people.

Nadia: Yeah, I think that's very good advice. Boundaries is definitely something that I've had to work on and also have seen be really helpful in the people I surround myself with so thank you. And especially as Filipinos or asian-americans, you know, our boundaries uh in our cultures tend to be more fluid and so it's as like Multicultural people we can kind of define for ourselves what are healthy boundaries.

Dr. Celestial: Yeah thank you, You're welcome. I can't wait to hear um the types of friends and communities you build and I'm so confident that it's going to take you so far in life so… I can't wait to show my daughter all of your accomplishments thank you.

Alyssa: Nadia do you want to ask her your question about graduating?

Nadia: My question is: what's some advice you can give to students just graduating college or who are about to graduate um that don't really feel like they have a place in the world or society yet?

Dr. Celestial: well I would like to say congratulations. What an exciting time to be you! You have so many gifts to offer yourself, others, and the world. It's just just an exciting time to figure out your purpose or to listen in for your purpose and to define that for yourself. If you're struggling to really hear from your life what is your purpose? It might be a good time to hire a therapist or a coach or talk to a mentor or a spiritual guide and really take stock of your values. What is really important to you? Use those as a map towards short medium and long-term goals and just really celebrate who you are and how you want to be your authentic self. I do believe that everyone has unique talents and gifts and that they were created with a purpose. And so while there might be some, whether it's marginalization or trauma or whatever it is, that is kind of impeding or creating barriers from identifying what is your unique purpose, I believe we all have tools. My passion is helping folks lean into and discover their gifts, their unique gifts, to bring into the world.

Nadia: I really like that idea having like, you know, taking into account that everyone has their own gifts. And also maybe reaching out to a mentor or someone that you that can help coach you through the situation is definitely something I will take into account when I get to that point in my college education but thank you so much.

Alyssa: All right so Jeannia, thank you so much for being here. I wanted to let the listeners know where they could get a hold of you if they want some more information about your services that you provide. Thank you so much for being here with us today, this morning it was a pleasure.

Dr. Celestial: I'm so sorry we had a short time today but I'd love to come back. there's so many topics that we can vibe on and discuss and share with your audiences. So many blessings on this papaya podcast.

Nadia: thank you so much.

FIND DR. JEANNIE CELESTIAL:

https://www.drcelestial.com/

https://www.instagram.com/jeanniecelestial/

https://www.drcelestial.com/clinical-interventions-for-internalized-oppression

https://www.drcelestial.com/the-filipino-instant-pot-cookbook

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party culture — an inside look at drugs, alcohol, and partying in university

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hey, Nadia. Hi, it was really nice to see you this weekend.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hello. Hi.

It was nice to see you guys too.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I think you've become more affectionate since you moved to college.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, probably art. Um, what is the saying? Yeah. And I feel like I-

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Absence makes the heart grow fonder. So you're more affectionate and you actually love us more.

Nadia Herrera-Set

No, I'm just more affectionate. I feel like I like miss I have like time to like really miss you guys

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah, and we have less time to annoy each other. Okay, so I wanted to talk a little bit about upcoming events. We have Halloween coming up, as we're recording this, it's October 16th. We have Halloween coming up, and that I think means that there's gonna be like some Halloween parties. So I kinda wanna talk a little bit about Halloween and a little bit about partying culture in college. What do you wanna start with first?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Okay.

Whatever one you want. They go hand in hand in college actually. I said I think they go hand in hand. It's holo weekend. Or some colleges literally celebrate Halloween the entire month.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, what are you gonna be for Halloween? What'd you say?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Really? Okay, I guess we'll talk about party culture first. I was gonna ask you what you're gonna be for Halloween. Actually, let's just get out of the way. What are you gonna be for Halloween?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Oh, wait.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I'm going to be Jesse slash Woody from Toy Story with, it's like a group costume. Um.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So how are you gonna be Jesse and Woody?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well, like, if it would be the same costume, kind of, you know, like, so I'm just gonna be whichever one I feel like. You know? No. Jessie's the girl and Woody's the... And they're both cowboys. So it's like the same thing. They kind of, like, their costumes would be the same.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh wait, are Jesse and Woody the same thing?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Ah, I see. I see, I see. I guess it's also like a slight political statement too. It's like a gender fluid cowboy cartoon.

Nadia Herrera-Set

if you want to think about it like that then yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Which actually leads me to my next question is there is like, I think, especially for your age, this pressure to be dress up sexy or use Halloween as an opportunity to dress a little dress a little sexier.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like, well, okay, my other costumes are like men in black and also, well, it's like, or just trying to use what I have. Um, but I don't know if it's like a, maybe some people feel pressured. I don't feel pressured. I feel like for me, it's like, well, I did say to use things I already have, but it's like an excuse to buy things that I'd wear later. But my excuse is that it's for my costume.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I see. I see. But then, like, do you notice that, like, you could be men in black and wearing pants and a long sleeve shirt and sunglasses, or you could be men in black wearing a miniskirt, high heels, black tights and a tube top. Which version are you going to be?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well, um, I have a miniskirt, and I bought a blazer. And I bought, well, I mean, I'll see the day of. It really depends, but I bought a blazer.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I guess maybe I should be grateful that it's... Okay, so I should be grateful that it's not like just the blazer and no bottoms.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, basically. I'm just kidding. I mean, I guess people like to dress a lot more.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I'm sorry.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

provocatively maybe, or an excuse to be.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, on Halloween, but like, you could do that in college anytime you want. So, I mean, I guess you couldn't really wear like bathing suit bottoms out, but like for Halloween you could say, I'm, I don't know, fill in the blank, but...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

That's true. That is true.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

A lifeguard. Yeah. Okay. I think we could go on and on about Halloween, the sexualization of cartoon characters, the... Just all the things. But I don't necessarily think we'll come up with any answers, except for maybe me being a little bit stressed thinking about you on Halloween, walking around in cold Boston with a blazer and no bottoms.

Nadia Herrera-Set

But I don't know.

..

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I would do that regardless of Halloween.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Great. Okay. I guess I should just accept it. You get to wear whatever you want to wear, your body, your choice. You choose.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, exactly. I choose. And I choose to wear a blazer and a miniskirt when it's really cold outside.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay. So then with Halloween, it doesn't have to come with partying, but I guess let's talk a little bit about partying. So you happen to be somebody that likes to go out, right? You like to go out. Maybe there are other people in college that don't want to. So are you around, are all of your friends people that like to go to parties or do you have friends that some do and some don't? Do you have to segregate based on, I like to party, I don't?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like I definitely have friends that do and don't. I think I like to go out but I also can stay in but like I want to have fun so I'll just I'm usually the person that like if someone wants to go out but has no one else with them like I'll go out with them.

But I do have friends that don't like to go out as much. And I feel like because like Northeastern is not necessarily, you don't have to go out to parties if you don't want to. I know a lot of other colleges, like it's like the partying culture is a lot more intense. And so you're going out, like you could essentially go out every night of the week. Whereas at Northeastern, I feel like it's like a strict,

thing of most people will go out Friday and Saturday, some people will go out to bars on Thursday, but nobody's really going out on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, and sometimes not, usually not Sunday also, which is like not the same like other colleges. So I feel like, I mean from friends, social media, like you can tell like, I know some of my friends like to go out or like

Alyssa Herrera-Set

How do you know what's going on at other colleges?

Nadia Herrera-Set

They like to go out more, but they also have the opportunity to go out more. Like, Northeastern, it's kind of... I mean, for me too, like, I don't necessarily only go to Northeastern parties, I can go to other colleges. So it's the school, plus like, we're in Boston. I don't know. I feel like Northeastern is just not a typical party school, so it's easy to do whatever you want.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So, okay.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, you don't feel the pressure. Like maybe some people at some schools feel like their only social life is if they go out to parties.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right. Yeah, exactly.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, so I guess let's get to the juicy stuff. How much drinking is involved? And let's just put it out there that let's not name any names about who's drinking and not. How much drinking is involved? And how much underage drinking is involved?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like, obviously there's a lot of underage drinking. You're not like legally allowed to drink until like I, like third, like usually third year or fourth year. No, your third or fourth year of college, but like, although this is not a party school, there's still a lot of people partying. So like your first and second year, you're gonna go out. It's not like you're gonna wait until.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

21, you mean? Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

But do you feel like you have to drink when you go out? Like you can go to a party. I mean, not necessarily do you feel like you have to drink, but like, do people feel like when they go to a party that they need to drink?

Nadia Herrera-Set

You could go, you don't have to.

Nadia Herrera-Set

It's not, you're not being forced to. Some frats that I go to, like, will make it a little bit harder. Like, not all frats will give out drinks, but most of the Northeastern ones do. But like other schools.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh.

Okay, so you walk in and there's like cocktail, there's like a bar or there's like a keg or there's like closed bottles or are they just like open containers that you just hope that they're fine?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Umm...

It depends. It depends. Sometimes, most of the times, they're like closed cans. And they're not usually like in the front. Sometimes that's kind of hard. You kind of have to like walk towards it. But I guess it just like depends on the place you're at. Some do like mixed drinks. But if they do, it's not like they're giving you like a whole like cup of it. Like you're getting like this much.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

shots you mean.

Nadia Herrera-Set

So it's not like a shot, but like it's a mixed drink. So it's like really small. They might not even give you a full shot because like they're paying for it. They don't wanna give you like more than they have to. I have had places like, like rats, like they'll give people, I've seen like, like little cups, but they have like a top on it. Like

Like a coffee cup, that's like a plastic cup. It's kinda cute, but obviously that's not everything. And I think that most of the MIT frats, it's, you don't, like, I feel like it's harder to get. It really just depends on the frat.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. OK, so what about bars and stuff like that? I guess what it comes down to is, are there a lot of people with fake IDs?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I definitely think that there are, I mean in college like it's Like if you want to go out to parties like it's and you or you want to drink or whatever like you kind of need it

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Do they card you at frat parties?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Frap parties here. No, I've heard like at other schools that they do But I guess I don't know like I have never been courted at a frat party Because with these wounds in Boston, it's definitely really hard to help till bars and stuff in clubs

like some schools and college towns like, you know, you have like, I'll hear stories of like, oh, like, there's this one place that all students go to, blah, blah. But like, because like, we're in the city, it's really hard to and sometimes it's just not that worth it. But that being said, a lot of people do go out and have fun at those types of things. But you do have to find your own way.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

On a scale of one to 10, how hard do you think it would be to get a fake ID? 10 being it's so hard, like practically impossible. And one is like it's practically like going on Amazon and just getting whatever I want.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh, I would say like a four.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay. All right. And like, would you say that most people under 21 have a fake ID or it's like, not that common?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um... What do you mean? Like, I mean, obviously people under 21, if they have an ID that says they're 21, it's fake, but... Heh heh.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I know, but like, um, like, do a lot of, like, is it just, do you feel like it's kind of standard for people to, like, go to college and get a fake ID?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh, yeah, I would say so. I mean, I mean, it could be different at other schools. Um, yeah, I would say it's pretty standard. That's why I say it's easier because you'll hear people talking about it and, you know, like, it just makes it easily accessible.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What about drugs? Is weed legal? Use of marijuana legal in Massachusetts? So how common is it that you'll see marijuana use and other kind of drug use?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I think so. Like, I think it was like, you know.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Umm... personally, like, I feel like it's pretty normal. I'm not really surrounded by a lot of people that do, like, other drugs. Like, I feel like it's as, like, I mean, I don't really know. It's like, I feel like it would be as accessible as it would be in any other city. Like if you want it, you could probably find it, but, um...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I'm not surrounded by people. Like that stuff, drug use, like that isn't definitely, I mean, apart from like, marijuana, but I feel like other drug use, like, I don't know. You have to be like with a certain group of people. I don't like, it's definitely not a big thing.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

It's not like so common like, oh, there's everybody at that table snorting coke or whatever, you know, it's not like that common.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Right. I mean, it's, I guess, it could be like the people I'm, I've surrounded myself with, but yeah, that's how I feel.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

How worried are the people that you're around about the possibility of overdose and accidental overdose like fentanyl overdose?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I would probably say it's a little bit, I have a bias thinking on that because I'm a public health major, like we talk about that all the time as like a topic in class. So in that way, it's definitely like a concerning topic, but, um, fortunately, I haven't like

like there hasn't been or I haven't heard of any incidents of that happening. Um, but we do live in a city. So while I don't hear about it with students, um, there's a lot of homeless people around the campus and like a certain street that's like considered like to be really dangerous with all that type of stuff. So, um, but that's the same with any city.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Right. So you had a terrible nickname for that street. But you like if you walk down that street, you feel like if you if someone wanted to get drugs, they know that they can go on that street and pick it up.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I don't know, like, obviously I've never tried, but, like, and I haven't... I don't know if it's like people get drugs there or there's just a lot of drug users end up on that street and I think the name of the street is coined because a lot of ambulances have to go there and there's just a lot of overdoses there. So I don't know if it... I don't know.

It's a big street, so like, you know, and we live in the middle of Boston.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah. All right. So what about like, is a school talking at all about, about like what to have what to do if you're at a party and someone passes out and you don't really know why?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, sorry, I couldn't hear the first part. What did you say?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, are you, is your school at all like telling students about what to do if somebody passes out, you don't know why, like it could be, are they educating you on what happens if you have blood alcohol poisoning or if someone like potentially needs Narcan or something to counteract like fentanyl basically?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um...

There are not directly tall students. I think some classes offer, there's like one specific class I've heard that someone was able to get Narcan trained as a part of the class. I don't know if it was required. There's, I can't remember the name. But like, if you see, if one of your friends passes out or something's happening like that, you have like...

What's immunity? You have immunity if you call.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. But you would call 911 first, right?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I would, but I... Yeah, I would. Um... But yeah, you have immunity with the school.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I guess there's a sketchy situation. There's a girl that you don't know passed out at a party, maybe not passed, sleeping on the couch at a party. She's not supposed to be there. You hear around like, oh yeah, she was super drunk. She's just sleeping it off. You don't know her. What do you do? 911 seems intense, right? So then what?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

It would be like... I would do 911. It also depends on the situation. Like if I was with friends in my own dorm, I would call 911 and then also have someone get like someone at the front desk. But like, if you're at a frat party, I feel like frats here are like very concerned with like obviously like with their reputation and how...

You know, they don't want any liabilities. So if something like that is happening, they will call 911 for you. Like if someone gets hurt, if someone whatever, like they'll call 911 because they don't want that on them, you know, if they just ignore it. That could lead like to a whole lot of other problems. But, and like, same with like, like I said earlier, they're not forcing you to drink.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like they're usually offering water if you ask them for water they'll get it for you. It's hard to... No. It's hard to like... Obviously control all these people and also control yourself if you're like... Under the influence. Um... But I haven't actually been around like to like anyone.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Do they offer food?

Nadia Herrera-Set

that's been, that's had alcohol poisoning like recently. I think it was, that was, well, when we were studying abroad in Greece. Yeah, I mean like, that's, unfortunately, that's kind of normal, but I, it's not normal, it's common.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

recently? You have been around somebody before?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Someone had to go to the hospital.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Common.

Nadia Herrera-Set

But... yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So when you were your first semester, you guys were allowed to drink. It was legal to drink because you in Greece, you were you have to be 18 to drink. Easily accessible. And there were people that had to be hospitalized because of blood alcohol poisoning. How did they get to the hospital?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

You have to call.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

911.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Well, whatever the 9-1-1 equivalent increase, I couldn't tell you. I don't- I never had to use it, but yeah, that's like what you would do first.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What's, what is it?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hehehehe

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So that's the only time that you've encountered somebody that like needed to get hospitalized because of too much alcohol. You haven't, you personally have not interacted with anybody when you're out there partying.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Same as here.

Nadia Herrera-Set

You cut out again, would you say?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

You have not had to interact with anybody who has needed to be hospitalized after partying too hard while you're in Boston.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Have I been a have I seen happen not to any of my friends now, but like sometimes you'll see someone outside and like they're like the brothers of the frat who like Help them if like they're on their property like they kind of have to

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So you've seen other people that you were not responsible for.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, exactly.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Have you seen ambulances pull up?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, but it was not because they were like too drunk, it's because they got hurt. I guess because they were too drunk, but they are. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Oh, my goodness. I feel like I'm getting all the inside scoop on your life and I don't want it to end. But I mean, the inside scoop, the excess partying, that would be, you know, that can end. But the inside scoop on your life, it sounds like, you know, it's, to me, relatively on par with what I've heard and remember from being in college.

Nadia Herrera-Set

It's definitely...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

And I'm glad to know that there isn't like a ton of drug use that you're seeing, because that's pretty scary for us parents considering the overdoses that we've heard about, especially accidental fentanyl overdose. And I don't know about other people. Maybe it was the people that I surrounded myself around in college, but I did see a lot of drug use beyond marijuana around me. And I'm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So I think that's another thing that scares people of my generation because at least the people that I was around, like I could see a lot of drug use happening and then I imagine that might be happening around you and then if that's the case and there's like a lot of exposure to potential accidental use of fentanyl, that's scary for us to think about. So I'm glad that your public health class is talking about it and I'm glad that you're not seeing it that commonly like around.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I mean that scares me too so probably why like I haven't like put myself in a situation where that was happening um but yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

But you've heard people say like, hey, we're going to go blah, blah. Like, no, not even like people you don't hang out with. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah, yeah. All right. OK, well, until next week. Thanks, Nadia. Bye.

Nadia Herrera-Set

No. Uh... Yeah. Choosing the right friends, I think.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Bye.

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plan b, rush etiquette, + what is “frat flu?”

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Hey Nadia.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Hello.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
How are you?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I'm good, how are you?

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I'm good, but you sound a little bit sick.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Just the common college sickness, I think. It's going around.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
What's the common college sickness?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
a mixture of like every sickness you've ever had, but then it goes away in like two days, so.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
I'm sorry.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Do you know where you got it?

Nadia Herrera-Set 
No, but we did go to Virginia last weekend, so could be that too. Yeah, stress, everything combined.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
traveling.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
All right, so what do you guys do when you're sick?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
um way in bed and wish we were home

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Does it feel better? Does it feel like you wish you were home with your parents to help you? Or like, why do you wish you were home?

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Yeah, I don't know, it just feels, it's easier when you're home. It feels like you guys know what to do and so it's harder to reach like health services when you're in college. I mean, not hard, just like it takes a little bit more effort. And like if you had to go to a doctor's office,

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
How so?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
it's not as easily accessible if you have like a car to just drive or someone to drive you. And also I've never gone to the doctor's office here so that would also be something that's a little bit more like time consuming and then contact whether or not you want to contact the school or if you just want to go.

straight to the doctor's office. I don't even know how it works. Like I wouldn't even, I'd have to call you actually if I really needed it.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
You know, you still have access to your regular health care. Like, you can contact your physician online for advice. Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Yeah, over the phone too. Yeah. I was thinking about that, but not necessarily even when I am home like the advice nurse hotline or whatever is really annoying.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
To be honest, actually, technically, because you're out of the state and your practitioner is licensed to practice in the state of California and you're in the state of Massachusetts, I think technically they can't give you health care advice. They can't basically see you. But.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
That's so interesting. Wow.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I guess they may or may not know that you are in Massachusetts.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I don't necessarily have to tell them.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Real quick pause. There's a lot of noise in the background. I'm really sorry. Can you hear that?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Barely, I think it's okay.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Okay, we're getting solar panels. So I told them to be quiet because we're recording this. I think they think that they're being quiet, but they are not. Okay, so...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Ah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Um.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Is there ever an issue where you feel like you shouldn't reach out to your health care provider because you're afraid that your parents are going to know?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Well, like we talked about last time, I've never been in this situation, but like if someone wanted birth control or they needed like other health services like that, like getting STD tested or if you needed like consulting on if you were pregnant or thought you were pregnant, that sort of thing, I feel like it's hard to decide like where you wanna go because...

you might not be comfortable telling your parents about it, but, and I've never been in that situation, so.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So I think that I did a little bit of research since we last talked. And I think that the concern is that, like, obviously, you're an adult, your physician can be told that your medical consultation with them should be confidential, that you don't want to tell your parents. I mean, they actually can't tell your parents at this point because you're an adult. However, the issue comes with when a bill gets sent home, like an explanation of benefits.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
piece of paper that says to your parents like, hey, Nadia saw a doctor gynecologist on October 1st. And then, hey, Nadia saw a doctor gynecologist on October 5th and October 10th and October 15th. Wait a second, what is happening? This person's a gynecologist. Nadia has been seeing them four or five times in a month. Hey Nadia, what's going on? I got a lot of insurance paperwork coming to the house that says that you're...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
accessing gynecological care five times. And so that's one concern. It won't say on there, like, Nadia came in to talk about birth control pills or pregnancy or whatever, but it'll say that you saw Dr. Gynecologist. It might not say gynecologist, but the parent can look it up, right?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So I looked up what you can do about that if you wanted to keep that confidential. And you can call your insurance, give them, tell them that you have that insurance, that you wanna keep your explanation of benefits sent to you in wherever you're at school instead of sent home. You can request that.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm Yeah, I just honestly feel like nobody if a girl is like in that situation, they're not gonna think that far ahead It's just gonna find Another way to go about it, which can be bad and good Actually, I don't really think of it. I don't really think that's good, but

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
written.

Right, you can go.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
I mean, it's not bad to access a student health care clinic. That wouldn't go back to your parents as an explanation of benefits report, I don't think. Anyway, well, there's the answer. That if you want to make sure that nothing gets sent, you can tell your physician that you want it to be confidential, even if you're not 18 yet. Like, you're 17 and you're in college. And you can.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm-hmm, right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I don't know.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
talk to your insurance and make sure that all of the paperwork related to the visits that you have get sent to you instead of to the policy holder, which is typically your parents, because a lot of people stay on their parents' health insurance until they're 26 years old, which is a good thing, right? Because health insurance can be pretty expensive. If you were told that you had to pay, let's say, $150 a month for health care insurance.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Would you think that's a lot of money or not? Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
For me, yeah. I don't have a job. I don't, like, there's, I'm not really getting money apart from, like, money that you, like, you guys give me. And even then, like, I don't know, being a student is expensive, like, for, in all parts. So, like, having to worry about things like insurance is definitely, like, any amount feels expensive to me. But, like...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
It's definitely beneficial. So I don't know. It feel a little bit like, yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
I mean, because you could, you could also get your own insurance. And actually, to be honest, $150 a month is really cheap. Like there are people that pay, you know, hundreds of dollars.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
No, right, but like I feel like if even someone told me that I needed to pay $10 a month for something like that's still like with my no income like That's still um a lot. Yeah

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Thank you.

Okay, so on that note, what are some places that you know of that you couldn't get healthcare related to like, women's health without your parents knowing? Like you already, we already talked about potentially calling your insurance and making sure that parents don't forget the explanation of benefits that you get it, is your care after all. We talked about, I think we talked about Planned Parenthood.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Did we talk about that? We've talked about the student health care clinic. I think Planned Parenthood is an option. As far as I remember, when you go to Planned Parenthood, you can stay pretty anonymous when you go there. You can put whatever name you want on the paperwork when you walk in. Or you can establish your real name and a regular doctor there. But what about Plan B?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
or morning after pill. Do you know where to get that?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Um, well, I know I could probably get it at CVS, which there are a few close to school. Um, but we talked about last time that there's like that vending machine with Plan B in it. I know that there's, I don't know, maybe we didn't talk about it on the podcast, but there's a vending machine on campus that is, um, that-

has Plan B in it. Also, like, I'm assuming probably condoms and other stuff. I haven't really taken a good look at it, but I do know that there's Plan B in there, which I feel like is a really good idea. I'm not, I'm sure that there's other places on campus that it is, that has that too, but the one I'm thinking of is like, it's in a pretty public space.

So while it is, I feel like it's a really good idea. It's definitely like nobody really wants, is gonna wanna use it because everyone can see you when you go over there, you know? It's not private at all.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
It's almost like they should put other stuff in there just so that you can be anonymous when you go to it. It's like we have condoms, we have plan B, we also have Snickers and soda. So like it becomes really anonymous.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
So.

Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right. I think like there might be there might be another vetting machine right next to it. It's just like they could totally put it somewhere else. I'm not really sure but they had to put it like right there. It's just like it's in our gym and the gym the way the gym works is like there's a hole in the middle and everything is like around it so if you just look down and there's like a really public restaurant nearby.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Are you serious? That vending machine is in a hole in the middle where everybody on every floor comes down and see you while you're getting your plan B.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Well, well everyone, yeah, well it's like, it's a little bit hard to explain, but it's like against a wall, so it's kind of hidden but not really. There's just a lot of other places it could be and it's really interesting that they chose there. I mean they want people to know that it's there, but...

I don't know. Could have been placed better.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I mean, I guess ideally people aren't ashamed of accessing these things, but I guess there is some reason to be worried that someone might think that you're not, I don't know, that you're irresponsible and that's why you're getting the morning after pill.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Right and yeah it's very I don't know shame is a big thing just like you don't I don't know people would want to feel like now everyone can like judge they don't know the whole situation but people like to make their assumptions so it's hard to go up in public and buy something like this although it is free so which is like nice because I think it's like $50 right?

if I went to CVS and also yeah and CVS also locks a lot of these things and so even then you'd have to like press the button and be like guy can you open this for me and then you had to tell them which one you want which they've been doing a lot of recently which I think is really interesting and I feel like I mean they have a reason for it but also

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
I have no idea. $50 is a lot.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
What do you think the reason is for it?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I think they do it for things that are either usually stolen, most commonly stolen, or for things that can be used to make other things, you know? I don't really know the whole story, but mostly for things that would be easily stolen. Like...

Yeah, I don't know. It's just really interesting.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So since you have the common college cold, is that what it would it you had a need for it before? Oh.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
It's frat flu. But I haven't like gone out to a frat in a while, so I think I'm actually just sick.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Thank you.

Alyssa Herrera-Set 
Speaking of which, what are you doing this weekend?

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Um, to be decided. I, a lot of my friends are doing sorority rush right now so you're not really allowed to go out. So me and my friends that aren't rushing, how to decide? It's not that you're, it's dry rush, I'm not really sure how it works, but like you're not really allowed to be, you don't want a like

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
You're not allowed to go out while you're going through rush.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
sister that's in the sorority to like see you out. I don't really know how, I don't know how it works technically, but um I actually don't know if they enforce like no going out, but it's like they encourage you not to and then um so technically you could go to another school and go out, but I don't, I don't know. I feel like if you're really into it might as well just.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Maybe it's in an effort to stay home. Maybe it's in an effort to make sure that people aren't doing rush outside of actual rush, right? So there's moments where you get to recruit people while they're going through formal rush. And then if you find out that some house is throwing a party and are basically trying to entice people to go to their house.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Mm, yeah. Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Right. It's like... what do they call it? I really... see I'm just starting all these terms like from hearing my friends but like that's like dirty rush. I don't really know how that works but like they wouldn't want you to... you're not allowed to speak to the sisters outside of rush and then it could probably lead to whole other things but yeah.

So, not sure yet, but we don't have school on Monday, so...

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Oh, right, because it's Indigenous Peoples Day.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
We'll see.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Is that what your school is calling it?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I think so. I hope so.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
But yeah, I don't have school. Which will be nice, I think.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
So what your mother is hearing is that you have something right now called frat flu, which prevented you from going to school today, but you are still thinking about a nice fun weekend partying with people who aren't going through rush and potentially a long weekend of partying because you don't have school on Monday. Did I hear that right?

Nadia Herrera-Set  
It's not a frat flu.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
I'm sorry.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Well, I don't have frat flu. I have regular flu, I think, and it's still to be decided. I don't really know yet.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Okay, well, I hope you have a good weekend. I actually really hope that you rest and sleep, maybe watch a cute little movie with your friends. Actually, I saw a good movie that you should see on the way home from Virginia. It's called, What's Love Got to Do With It? Have you heard of it? It's about like.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Hehehehe

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Watch movie.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
No. Still on Netflix?

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
It's on Netflix. It's about like this Pakistani American guy who has an arranged marriage, which she calls like an assisted marriage. And, you know, there's somebody that's like doing a documentary on the whole process. And of course, they fall in love, you know, I mean, I know I gave the ending there, but then, you know, you know, that's going to happen, you know, like you knew that from the start, but it's really cute. I like that. What'd you say? It's totally a mean movie. We got cultural things. We got love. We got...

Nadia Herrera-Set  
that movie.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
That's such a you movie. Yeah. It's that. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
you know, a predictable flow, nice and easy. Yeah, or maybe you go do homework first.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
Mm-hmm. Maybe I'll go watch it right now.

Nadia Herrera-Set  
I don't have homework. That's a lie.

Alyssa Herrera-Set  
Okay, have a good weekend. It's about to get real loud back here.

Nadia Herrera-Set 
Don't expose me! Okay, bye!
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thoughts on birth control | part 1

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hey Nadia.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hello!

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So I have a topic that I want to bring up, but I think this may be a long conversation. So maybe we'll break it up into a couple different episodes. But it's an important one, and it's one that could bring up some uncomfortable moments. Are you ready?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Okay.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I guess so, yes.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Birth control.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Are you ready to talk about birth control with me?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Guess.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay. The topic was inspired. This is where I want to start. The topic was inspired by another parent friend of mine, who is the father of a son. And he has a very easy, comfortable relationship with his son where they can speak openly about a lot of things, including birth control and I think sex life in general.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Um, and this, um, father was expressing concern because his son is, um, has a girlfriend, they're sexually active, um, they're having penetrative intercourse, and, um, they, the son is responsible for the birth control because the daughter, um...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

You mean his girlfriend.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, sorry. That would be sketchy. The son is responsible for the birth control because the son's girlfriend is not able to speak about her sex life and the need for birth control pills with her parents. And I know that you and I have had a previous conversation about just like the facts, like the n control. And I think there's a whole range of how much a parent might speak to their child about sex in general. And this friend of mine, the dad, he feels like the parents should be the number one person that the child should be able to talk to about all their questions related to sex.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

And I just kind of felt differently about it. I felt like I want you, I want my children to be able to talk to me when something is needed, but I don't really feel like I'm, I don't need to be the number one source of information regarding sex education and birth control. I'm wondering what you think about that.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, well, I guess like we have I guess I would call it like a kind like we're we have an open relationship I can I feel like I can talk to you about a lot of things but Topics like that are a little bit more I don't know. It's hard to bring up I don't know. I feel like It's just an awkward conversation that you don't always want to have with your parents I think like thinking about right now. Maybe it's like a difference between like

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Why is it hard to bring up?

Nadia Herrera-Set

girls and boys, like, and sex in general. Um, I don't know. I feel like it's more normalized for guys to just be having sex and girl, like, I don't know. Even though that's not usually, like, the case for everyone. Um, yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

like it's more accepted that like it's like less maybe it's easy to talk about boys having sex males having sex because it's more like socially acceptable like it's like less shameful or something like that.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

It almost feels like... wait, how old are they?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

um late teens and um and to clarify this um father feels comfortable speaking to his daughters about their sex life also and the mother also feels comfortable speaking to both her um sons and her daughters about it too they have actively chosen to be sex positive um yeah so i guess if we

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Is that the ideal? Do you feel a sense of loss because we don't have dinner conversations about, I don't know, the details?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I feel like it really depends on like the way that you grow up because like if they're old, if you're really used to being really open, of course you would always lean to your parents to ask questions like this. But I also feel like although we do have an open relationship for some, for most things, like I can talk to like my friends about this, like my peers, and I feel like that's equally

helpful and can give you the same amount of support in certain circumstances. But yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Where else do you guys, where else do young women your age go to for information about all things related to sex? Like...

Nadia Herrera-Set

I would say friends or social media. I feel like a lot of my friends don't talk to their parents about this stuff. Not like whether or not there's something to talk about. It's an awkward conversation that is easier to just avoid. And I don't know. I'm not really sure if they're like...

I'm not really sure if there are ways to get around not asking for your parents for birth control, but I feel like people would choose to go that way instead of having to ask. And a lot of times, like girls when they're younger will go on birth control for like different reasons, like acne, and now it's kind of like, oh, like it's okay. Like I'm glad I'm on it now because now I don't have to ask when I actually need it. You know what I mean?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

But, you know, it's different for everybody.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I remember we had a conversation when you were in high school. You asking for birth control pills because it seemed like a standard. Everybody was on it for multiple reasons, whether it was to control their flow or for

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

to their period, you felt like it was pretty standard.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like at the time, yes, and it still is now. A lot of my friends are on birth control and I do have the birth control pills but I never started taking them because I didn't need it and because of like the circumstances of when I was gonna first take it was like a year ago, like literally a year ago and I was in Greece and I was really sick. So it like didn't seem like the right time. And then now like

I haven't started taking it later because I didn't need it and I just... I don't know. I feel like while the pill is like super standard, there are other options that are just like a little bit less. Like I don't want to have to remember to take it every day, you know?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Do your friends, is there any concern about taking a daily medication that's hormone related? Like, is anybody worried about side effects or anything like that?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, for the people that are just, I've been taking it. I feel like, no, it's just normalized. Now they've been taking it for at least a few months. So their body's gotten used to it. I do have a friend that stopped taking it because it, it helped with like the period part, cause that's why she first started taking it and then all the other symptoms like.

her heightened and increased and she didn't really realize until after she stopped taking it. So, I don't know, there's definitely a right and wrong choice for everybody, but you kind of have to just try it out.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Is there a feeling about regarding using birth control pills for the purpose of preventing pregnancy? Do you feel like between male and female partners that someone is more responsible for making sure that birth control is in place?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like for like condoms and stuff for that, I mean in the situation you were talking about before, I feel like if you're dating a guy like they should buy it, I don't know, that feels like their responsibility if the girl wants to buy birth control or take birth control that's on them but um I don't know. It can't be all on one person.

So I understand kind of wanting like the girlfriend to talk to their parents or her parents. Um, but in college, I feel like I've just heard, I don't know. It really depends on the person and whether or not they're in a relationship or not. Um, because I feel like when you're in a relationship, it's easier to talk to some about that kind of stuff. But yeah. But if you're not in a relationship.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Like your partner, you mean?

Nadia Herrera-Set

like a relationship with a person then comes a question like I mean in many instances just like talking with friends and stuff it's like they the guy ends up not wanting to use birth control so if you're if the girl is on birth control then I at least you have that but like I feel like yeah which is like

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So that does happen. Like a guy will be like, I don't want to use a condom.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Honestly, disrespectful, like...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What do they propose? What do they propose is the option of not using the condom? Is it, I don't want to use a condom so we're not going to have sex? Or I don't want to use a condom so-

Nadia Herrera-Set

No, it's like, yeah, so like, I don't really...

I mean, I'm not a guy, but like, I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to use it. It doesn't really, I don't know, especially if you're not in a relationship with that person because that just can lead to a lot of other things on both sides. So I don't know. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

disease and pregnancy.

Nadia Herrera-Set

And also like you're making the other person uncomfortable like if they wanted to use it, but you know, it's just, I feel like it should be a standard.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So no, I want to dig into this more. They don't want, they just want to refuse to use a condom. So what is their proposal? Like, let's just not have intercourse, or let's pull out, or let's just give it a shot. Where are you on your cycle? Like, what are their options?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh, I feel like guys in college know nothing about period cycles, so that's just out of the question. Like they wouldn't even, I don't think they really under, they wouldn't understand, even if you explained it to them, like what that means. But, and even I don't really understand it. Like I don't, I don't know. Whatever. Like it just, it's a, I know it's a cycle, but I know, I don't know the specific parts of it. But I think it's both.

which is just interesting, the way that they think about things. Because they're not affected by the- if you get pregnant, or if you're scared that you're pregnant, like that's not really on them. So.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

It's really interesting. I can't imagine.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What would the, how do you think it would be received if a guy and a girl were hooking up?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

they're not in a relationship and then the guy doesn't have a condom but the girl does. She happened to bring it with her to a party just in case. Do you think they'd be like, what? Do you just always have this on you or?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh-huh.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I mean, it really depends. I don't know. It really depends on the person. I feel like in the best case scenario, you're gonna like as a guy and the girl has the condom and you don't like you should take that as like, oh, thank goodness. Like, you know, but it depends on the person.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah.

I am still like shook from that thought that I would just refuse. That is really interesting. Real quick before we go. I'll go ahead.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I honestly... right? I honestly think like... no I just think it's like whether or not you like respect girls it's just really interesting the way that they think about it but yeah what were you gonna say?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I had this conversation with a bunch of people that are on my age this weekend. It was whether or not there exists consent apps, like are those actually being used? One of the parents I was talking about was saying that her child and somebody that she met that night, they both recorded themselves saying, like, this is my name, I consent to this.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uh oh.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Like, does that actually happen or is that like one-off situations?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Uhhh...

I would say that's like one-off situations. I don't really hear about that happening. I mean, hopefully like consent is given on both sides, but in certain circumstances, it's not really like, that's not what people like, people's first response is, is to like, let's take a video of this, of us like consenting, you know?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Right. And another parent brought up, like, OK, so maybe they consented at that moment, but then maybe it went to a place where they didn't consent anymore. Like, now you have this video that says that you consented to something, but not maybe whatever that person was hoping it would lead towards.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right, right. So it's definitely like hard situation, you kind of just have to hope that the person like you're with is like, going to respect your boundaries and stuff, which is not always the case, unfortunately.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

All right. I think we covered a lot in just like 20 minutes and I'm left with other questions, but maybe we'll do it in another episode. I'm thinking since you, hmm?

Nadia Herrera-Set

We can do a part two. I said we can do a part two.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. I'm thinking since like the one thing that you were not aware of was the cycle Maybe we should bring somebody in to like explain that

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, probably. It's pretty important.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, it's good to know. It's kind of like a hard, hard method to follow as far as preventing pregnancy.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's more used for when you want to get pregnant, but...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah. All right, nice talking to you.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Okay. Nice talking to you too. Goodbye. Okay.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, done with the awkward conversation.

Bye.

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work life balance, being a young woman in stem, and dealing with stress in university

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hey, Nadia.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hello. I'm good. How are you?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

How's it going?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I'm good. Um, are you really good?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mmm, worse were what's the word? I'm surviving, not thriving. Actually I am thriving. But not in all parts of the day.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hehehe

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What do you mean? What parts are you thriving in?

Nadia Herrera-Set

any part where I'm not doing organic chemistry.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, why did you choose to take organic chemistry? You're a public health major and it's not a requirement. Why did you choose to take it?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Hehehe

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Definitely a question I've been asked multiple times this semester. Um, and it's only been like, yeah, I know and everyone's very curious. I have always thought I wanted to work in like a hospital, which means med school. In the traditional sense, that means med school. And so, um...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

It's only been two weeks.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I'm considering going pre-med. The thing is with Northeastern is that one public health, public health was like the major I was always interested in doing or pursuing, but it's very new major at Northeastern. So they already had a major and it was health sciences, which is like the basic health, I mean, I mean, it's the basic like health major and their major requirements are a little bit more based on what you need for pre-med.

And so things like Orgo you kinda need to take. And most people that are a health science major are pre-med. I guess maybe not most, but a lot of people are. And so, right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, I'm sure there's also like pre-dental, pre-ner, not pre-nursing, because there's a nursing major, but pre-PT.

Nadia Herrera-Set

There's a pre-PA. Yeah, pre-PA, pre-PT, pre-dental. I'm sure there are others, but yeah. The public health, I didn't really get along with my academic advisor when I first talked to her about all this because I told her I wanted to do pre-med classes and she said the best thing for me to do would be to switch.

to health sciences, but I wanted to keep public health and consider doing pre-med. So basically I'm doing whatever I want and I chose to take Orgo in case I want to be pre-med later on. But I'm not pre-med yet.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, you could have chosen to take all your pre-med requirements after you graduated with your public health major.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right. But I also like had elective spaces and like why not take it here? I also have a lot of friends that are health science majors so I like have a lot of classes with them and we're all taking organic chemistry together. Not in the same class but you know I think and I like having

Nadia Herrera-Set

And I would have to take those public health classes anyways with the health science major, which is a sudden, it makes, it's complicated, but there's just so many overlaps that would make it like for me easier if I just switched to health sciences, but I'm being kind of stubborn and I don't want to. So I'm just gonna keep with this and do whatever I want.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I think that's the first, I mean, this is like one of the first situations where you're going to be advised to do one thing. But for good or for bad, right or wrong, you have this other thing in mind, and you choose to do the thing that you want to do, which I think happens a lot in life, but specifically in life as a female going into a profession.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

uh... that

is male dominated. I want to say that I don't actually know the stats on how many physicians or health care providers are male versus female. But I mean, the standard is that most work situations are male dominated. The leaders in organizations are male. So being female, being young, and choosing to take your own path is tough. But it's like something that.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

That is good practice, I guess I would say.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I did actually hear though. And it's like a very male dominated like in like the exec, like in the very high ups of healthcare. But I've heard that there's like, it's like a lot more women dominated in like med school and like even in my like the like pre, the health science like field, like in the basic health science classes, a lot of the times it's mostly girls and like three guys.

which is very interesting. But maybe it's also the school, the school, but I don't know. But yeah, it is definitely something challenging, but something that will be helpful later on.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I mean, I feel that too in physical therapy. In my class at UCSF, there were 30, about 35 students, 30, 35 students, and 10 of them or so were male. And...

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So that felt like, you know, like a pretty female dominated, or majority female class setting. But in the profession of physical therapy, although there are more women than men, I feel like the loudest voices, and especially in leadership of sports physical therapy, which is what my specialty is, there are a lot of, it's male culture and male leaders.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Man, yeah. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I have found some really amazing female leaders in my profession and gravitate towards them when I'm looking for advice on how to run my practice and how to progress my career. But yeah, I would say it's majority. Or that's what I feel like the loudest voices are. Yeah. So are you feeling like?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

taking OKEM, well, I call it OKEM, you call it ORGO. Are you feeling like OKEM? Oh, really? Is it a, are you regretting signing up for the class?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like that's an East Coast thing. I don't know.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, I'm not regretting it. I just... it's... I don't know. I enjoy class- like... I- In the past, like math classes, they're not easy, but I feel like... like doing quite- like questions with things that have actual answers instead of like, you know, what you do in humanities classes. It comes a lot easier to me, but

And so Orgo is more of like that math type chemist. I mean, it's chemistry. So it's like problems with answers. And in that sense, I enjoy that, but it's definitely gonna be kind of a, not like...

the school making their break for me. It's like me like deciding on what I want to do next because if I end this semester really enjoying Orgo, then I would go on to Orgo 2 and then I would continue with like Physics 1 and Physics 2. If I, I don't think I'll end the class not enjoying it. I have a good teacher. I just, I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Hehehehe

Nadia Herrera-Set

I feel like it's a little, it's definitely gonna make me think because if I, and plus I'm taking my co-op classes and I'll be on co-op next semester, so there's a lot of things in this semester that are like, um, dictating what I want to be doing, not like in, like for long term, but like in the short term, like in the next like five years. No, maybe two years. I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

You will just know that along the way of whatever, along your path, there's going to be a lot of opportunities for you to decide which direction to go. And there are some built-in hoops to jump. Is that the saying? Yeah. There are some like.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

obstacles.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Um...

built in traditional obstacles that people put in the way. It's hazing you to get to wherever you want to go. Organic chemistry is, I feel like one of those things. People get frustrated and like, what does this have to do with what I'm doing? This is so hard. I'm not going to be doing this deep of chemistry. But it's a little bit of showing someone that you have the dedication to get

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

through this obstacle because not just med school, but lots of other professional programs are challenging and they want to see. And that's also what college is about too a little bit. You're learning, but you're also telling the world, I'm making a commitment to getting the education. You can trust me that I can stick to something and see it through to the end.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. I mean, I did. I say that. But also, like, I'm not really I'm not going to like give up on, you know, some like science as a whole, like I'm not going to like change directions completely. But I don't know, there's just a lot of things to think about. And with my co-op too, I also had to choose like clinical versus research. And so something like this.

Actually, like right now think like because of my orgo class I'm more interested in just like really getting into a clinical setting because and maybe it's like a research job, but in a clinical setting, but I Want to get fully immersed into it because I if I don't like it then There's just so many other paths I could take and I then I'll have like so many other class like class spots but

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Right, you want to be wasting time taking pre-med classes if you don't see yourself working in a clinical setting. And there's a lot of health professional directions you can go that don't require organic chemistry. I had to take physics in one and two for physical therapy, but I did not have to take organic chemistry, just regular chem, to a year of regular chem. Okay, so.

Nadia Herrera-Set

right.

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I'm sure that any college student listening to this wondering if they're going to be pre-med is like, okay, enough about the organic chemistry. I totally feel you on this, but it's so stressful to think about what kinds of things are you doing to balance out the stress of school.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um, well, it's definitely something like, it's like a continuous process for me. Cause I feel like I, my personality, I can make things more like anything more stressful than it has to be. But, um, and you know this, but I, in the beginning, like the first couple of weeks, like I went to the gym with my friends a lot and even like, we're not like doing crazy things at the gym, but it's definitely.

nice to get that kind of exercise. And I just recently joined the club gymnastics team at Northeastern, which is definitely something that I didn't expect to do, but I think it's gonna be a lot of fun. And that's another outlet. I think exercise really helps, even if I'm not

Alyssa Herrera-Set

outlet.

Nadia Herrera-Set

just to do something that's really not school and I can't be doing school at the same time because sometimes like I can watch TV and do all these things but I might be doing work at the same time and it's not really like

Alyssa Herrera-Set

enjoyable. You're not relaxing. Do you do anything that's like, chill? Like you say, you go to school, and then you exercise, and then you do gymnastics. Like, do you do anything that's just like, calm? And then I know that you go out on the weekend. So, do you do anything that's like, quiet and peaceful? Do you find that like, helpful at all?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. Um, yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Um...

Nadia Herrera-Set

uh, I sleep. There's not really a lot of quiet, peaceful time. But I also am not the type of person that really needs that. I think, I mean sometimes my roommates and I will like all just watch South Park together. Which I love that show so much. So I don't know. It's like little things.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Thank you.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I've been trying to cook for myself. We talked about food the last time. And recently I've been trying to cook. But that's also been a little bit stressful.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

trying to figure out cooking, like cooking itself is stressful or like the stress of trying to make sure you're eating healthy or whatever.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I like all of it. And then buying food. Money is very stressful.

and everything costs money.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, I mean, if you think about every part of life being like, stressful, like you attach that word stressful to it, then it probably will be. Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

It can be attached to anything. Yeah. In the beginning, I mean, I really have only been here like three weeks, but I feel like I've been here forever. I haven't really been that stressed out, thankfully. And I think it's all kind of a little bit catching up, but it is that time of the month where like all your classes are gonna have like quizzes or tests and...

It's not like, oh fun, we're back at college. It's like, we're back at college and you have like work to do. But, I don't know.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah. So are your friends doing like, are they similarly stressed about life and what are they doing to like, mitigate the stress?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm

Well, yeah, I mean, we're all a little bit stressed, but we're all to have our have our own things. My roommates, one of them's in the dance company at Northeastern. And I have other roommates that are rushing sororities and pre-med for hats. So there's definitely like a lot of little outlets. We've all like gone to like club meetings, but.

I don't know, like it's definitely a lot of stress right now, but I feel like in the next couple months it'll calm down. There'll still be like stress. Yeah, I think once we have like a routine, you know, because all of us are like trying out for like all these different things, like it's been a lot of like go go, but then once those things have their schedules, I think it'll be easier.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

You think so?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

to manage.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Like, everything's like kind of disorganized right now.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

What kind of things does your school have for you guys to balance out the, you know, like if you're feeling like you can't handle it or maybe that's a little bit dramatic, like if you're just feeling like a little bit extra, what kinds of things does your school offer?

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. There are, um, like, health counseling services. I've never personally used it, but, um, that is available. And, like, I think it was implemented after COVID. It's, like, uh, I'm not sure what it's called. Like, a health day, basically, that you can, like, because some of the classes, like, they don't want you to not show up. Um, so...

you can like get your absence excuse basically. You just have to like ask for it ahead of time, which is kind of, I mean, there's like, it's up in the right direction. I don't know, right? I don't know, maybe you can do it after it happens, after the fact, but I think another thing is a lot of my classes are pretty hard, right? Like my classes are pretty hard, so I feel like if I miss a day,

Alyssa Herrera-Set

How far in advance? You're like, it's one minute before class, I need a health day.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I'm gonna miss a lot. And like, Orgo is my only class. I can, and I guess Biostats, but like, are the only two classes I can skip because they don't take attendance. But if I do skip those classes, like, I'm gonna be lost the next time. So it's like, I have to, I have to go. I mean, I don't have to, but I should.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, it makes it more stressful to not go.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah. Um, are there another?

Alyssa Herrera-Set

I thought I saw you guys have like, puppies on campus and stuff.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, oh yeah, they, well there's always like a, actually I don't know where they stay, but Northeastern has like dogs that I think are connected with like NUPD, but they walk around and they also have like baby huskies. A lot of clubs, yeah very cute, a lot of clubs like have little, most times like clubs will have things set up on-

Alyssa Herrera-Set

So cute.

Nadia Herrera-Set

A club will have something set up. You could like buy food or like do a, I don't know, have a little activity. But it is like, they want money, but those are kind of fun.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Do they have a crisis hotline?

Nadia Herrera-Set

I mean, they should. I don't even know. But.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Okay, say you had a friend that had a crisis. What would your first step be? What do you think? What would you do? A mental health crisis.

Nadia Herrera-Set

I would.

I don't even know if I'd go through Northeastern.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

you just call a physics, like you call 911 or something like that, or like go online.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah, just because like, I mean, I guess this is just a sign I need to look this up. But I would just call 911 because it would be too much. I would have to like look up right these, you know, like I'd have to look it all up. I'm sure they have a crisis hotline, but there is an actual crisis hotline that could be more helpful. Or less, I don't know.

Thankfully I've never had to be in that situation, but I don't know. Sometimes like going through school, it just feels like it would take longer. I don't know. Like, there's just like too many like things you have to go through instead of just going straight to like the hospital. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

an emergency situation. Yeah. Well, I bet they have things in place for long-term help. I'm assuming, and maybe it's wrong for me to assume, but I'm assuming that there is mental health, there's counseling on campus that's available to students, that they have regular appointments available, and that they can help students.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

that are having a really hard time, maybe advocate for themselves if they're like falling behind in class because they're going through a hard time, whether it's their issue or not. Like you could be having some kind of tragedy in the family or some like loss of money or something all of a sudden, and you need help and someone to advocate for you. I'm hoping that the school has that in place.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right. Yeah. Oh, I- they definitely do. I just... I'm not... Yeah. Thank goodness. But I should probably be more aware of the resources I have. Um, but yeah. Thankfully I have not to use it. I think another like stressor too is like, um...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Haven't had to find it.

Nadia Herrera-Set

the social life on campus. So even like you said, I do go out like on the weekends, but I mean like more like within like friend groups and stuff and I feel like especially this semester, everyone's like really busy and taking different classes. And so like, I feel an added pressure of like, oh, I haven't seen this person in a while. I should probably reach out to them or like, I don't know. It's just like hard to.

I feel like me personally, I'm like thinking of my, I think of myself and all the things, all my responsibilities with it. I'm like, oh, I have other people, like I have friends that I should probably take account for too, which is a little bit stressful, but doesn't have to be.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah. Right. Like, you don't want to lose touch with these people that are important to you, but life is busy and you're not crossing paths. And so now you feel like this responsibility to reach out to them or else you might lose them as a friend, which is both like, like you want to have friends and so you worry about losing them, but also you want to take care of your friends. So you want to reach out to them.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Right.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. I think that mainly also applies like friends at home too. There's just like a lot of different things. And I don't know why it feels like more this semester. I don't necessarily feel homesick as much as like in the way that I did in my first year. But I think a lot of things are changing. So it's like, I just want to go back to...

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Like do I wanna like, yeah, yeah. When I knew what was happening.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

stability.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

Yeah, I feel like, gosh, that's probably what your 20s is about. Or 18 to 28 or something is kind of like just 10 years of instability. So you're at the start of your ride right now.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Mm-hmm. Yay. Yeah, but we'll see.

Alyssa Herrera-Set

All right, so I think I'll let you to go study for Orgo. Have a good weekend. Okay, bye.

Nadia Herrera-Set

Yay! You too! Bye!

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eating, food, and diet culture in college

Alyssa Herrera-Set: Hey, Nadia. Nadia Herrera-Set: Hello. Alyssa Herrera-Set: How's it going? Nadia Herrera-Set: I'm good, how are you? Alyssa Herrera-Set: I'm good. I was looking forward to our talk today, because it was actually really surprisingly nice to talk to you in this podcast forum last week. Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah, I really enjoyed it too. Alyssa Herrera-Set: And I have a question for you, which is potentially, I mean, I think this conversation could become slightly sensitive or controversial. Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: And it's inspired by a lot of things that have conversations I've had in the past week. And it is food and nutrition and diet culture Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: amongst college women. And Nadia Herrera-Set: cave. Alyssa Herrera-Set: I think the most, I think there are a couple of things that Nadia Herrera-Set: loaded Alyssa Herrera-Set: came up. Nadia Herrera-Set: topic. Alyssa Herrera-Set: What did you say? Nadia Herrera-Set: I said loaded topic. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Yeah, loaded topic. So there's a couple things that came up. One of them was this and I want to know your thoughts on this. So I was talking to this mom. And she was telling me that her daughter was going to college. And she told her daughter that if she stayed slim, they would continue to give her allowance. So Nadia Herrera-Set: Wow. Alyssa Herrera-Set: it wasn't just that. I'm making that sound worse than it was. Nadia Herrera-Set: I'm Alyssa Herrera-Set: It's still bad, but it was if you get Nadia Herrera-Set: sorry. Alyssa Herrera-Set: good grades and if you stay slim, but maybe the mom said, if you stay healthy and you get good grades. But loaded Nadia Herrera-Set: Uh... Alyssa Herrera-Set: in that question or Nadia Herrera-Set: right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: in between the lines is like, if you don't gain weight in college, then we will continue to Nadia Herrera-Set: pray. Alyssa Herrera-Set: give you money. Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Any Nadia Herrera-Set: I Alyssa Herrera-Set: thoughts on that? Nadia Herrera-Set: think that's really hard. I feel like in the beginning when you first start college, you're like, oh yeah, like, I don't think everyone talks about the freshman 15, but it doesn't really seem that like, seems pretty out of reach just because like that's, I don't know. For me personally, I did gymnastics like all throughout middle school and high school. So the thought of it was like something that I personally hadn't experienced before. And I it wouldn't be that much different having to get food for myself. I'm not that of a beginner cook or I know how to order food and stuff like that. So it didn't feel like something that would happen, but it's really, I think, I mean, a lot of people talk about it, but the college transition is pretty difficult. And I think, I mean, people cope in different ways, but I... like I was abroad and I feel like, and I know you heard a lot about me like complaining about food and stuff like that, but with like when you are eating a bunch of food that you might not like, you end up buying your own and that doesn't necessarily mean it's like the best food. I'm like going for like the junk food that I miss from home and it all kind of adds up. along with like stress and all of that, it's definitely, it happens without like you noticing. And so I think when I came back from my first semester of college, I was like, I definitely saw a difference in the way that I saw myself in the mirror, not necessarily that there was like that big of a like weight change or whatever, like it just, I felt different. And... And I think it was because of all of those things. But something that I feel like parents and everyone should take more into account is like, just everything that you did in high school is not gonna be the same in college. And so if you don't have like a parent like cooking for you anymore, like changes are gonna happen without the kid noticing. So I don't know, it's hard to like tell your kid that you have to stay slim because it's kind of. almost out of their control. But now that I'm a second year, I feel like I've gotten a better hang of it, not to say that I'm the best at it, but I've definitely tried to have healthier foods around and when you're stressed, you just wanna snack and if you are aware of it, it's... easier to control it. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Nadia Herrera-Set: But I don't know, Alyssa Herrera-Set: And there Nadia Herrera-Set: it's Alyssa Herrera-Set: was a Nadia Herrera-Set: like, Alyssa Herrera-Set: lot there. Nadia Herrera-Set: it's really hard. Alyssa Herrera-Set: There was like, yeah, there's a lot. Like, many people do sports in high school. Not many, but there are there are Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: people that do sports in high school that don't do sports in college. So if you go from like in your Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: situation, like 20 to 25 hours of doing a sport to you're not doing gymnastics Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: in college anymore. And then it's like, At most, you're going Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: to get an hour a day. You're never going to force yourself to go to the gym Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: for four hours on your own in Nadia Herrera-Set: right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: a day. So there's that. There's also you're just growing. You're continuing to develop Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: and become a woman. So that's inevitable that you are going to grow into your woman adult Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: body. And then there's Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah, Alyssa Herrera-Set: the other. Nadia Herrera-Set: totally. Alyssa Herrera-Set: if you have coping mechanisms like eating for comfort that adds to it. I was thinking like Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: what are the, I mean I guess this varies Nadia Herrera-Set: Drinking Alyssa Herrera-Set: from person Nadia Herrera-Set: also, Alyssa Herrera-Set: to person. Nadia Herrera-Set: I think. like drinking, like Alyssa Herrera-Set: Alright. Nadia Herrera-Set: if I've heard like many stories of like, I don't not necessarily in the best form, but like people just noticing like after someone has been in college for a certain amount of time, like they're always out at parties and like, you can just tell that they look different than they did in high school, which is like, I don't know, especially with social media, those differences, like people really take them into account, which is not a good thing, but it just like, that's just the way life is. You're gonna like not look the same as you did in high school. But I think that like eating and all that kind of all the like college stuff. Your first year definitely play a big role. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Right, drinking alcohol, maybe evening munchies. Nadia Herrera-Set: Maybe. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Yeah, so there's that. OK, what was I going to say? Oh, what are the, what do you think? how much does it play a role that some people were under so much control and restriction under their parents and then they go to college and then they just go crazy can they because they now have the choice to eat whatever they want and Before their parents used to Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: control it and now they're gonna either rebel or they don't know how to make decisions for themselves Because their parents always made the decision for them Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. I think the freedom is in all ways in college is like something that you definitely have to like teach yourself how to control it. But yeah, I could definitely see how like being you have a certain amount of money that you could spend whatever from a job, from an allowance, and now no one's telling you what you can and can't buy with it. So it's easy to be like, let's just spend all on this food that I was never able to eat when I was at home. Yeah, that's definitely hard. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Okay, so what advice do you have for me and for the other moms Nadia Herrera-Set: Uh... Alyssa Herrera-Set: out there? You and I had a really interesting conversation that like really caused me to pause. And it was last year. You, Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: as a mom who's always been a part of your life, I continue to wanna be a part of your life, right? So I'd ask you questions, normal questions. Sometimes it's like, how's school? Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: How's your friends? Are you sleeping well? blah, blah. So at Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: one point, our conversation became, what are you doing for breakfast? Because you were living at the dorms, and you're like, I had apples. And I said, oh, did you get the apples from Trader Joe's, or did you get it from the cafeteria? I don't remember what the answer was. Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: And then I might have said, did you pair it with some protein? I'm not sure if I said that. to pair your Nadia Herrera-Set: Probably. Alyssa Herrera-Set: carbs with fiber and protein. I don't know. I'm not sure if I went there. And then I said, and then you were talking about how you were going to have Popeyes for lunch. And I was like, Nadia Herrera-Set: Hehehe Alyssa Herrera-Set: I said something like, is that really the healthiest choice? You know, because I know I'm paying for your food Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: at the dorms. and you're choosing not to go to the cafeteria where there's like some steamed vegetables and salad and, you know, grilled chicken or something, you Nadia Herrera-Set: Hehehe Alyssa Herrera-Set: chose to get a Popeyes chicken sandwich or whatever you chose to get. And I said, is that really the healthiest choice? And your response, like super quick, was like, I don't need to be telling you all the things that I'm eating. And I was like, oh, like I felt all of a sudden like I went too far. And Nadia Herrera-Set: Wow. Alyssa Herrera-Set: like, on Nadia Herrera-Set: I Alyssa Herrera-Set: the Nadia Herrera-Set: didn't, Alyssa Herrera-Set: one hand, Nadia Herrera-Set: I don't Alyssa Herrera-Set: I- Nadia Herrera-Set: remember saying that. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Oh my god, I specifically remember that because I've always been very, I feel like I've been around a lot of eating disorders in my life, you know, like my friends and because I work with Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: gymnasts and dancers, like I've been around a lot of eating disorders. So like, there's Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: this weird balance, like I want to encourage you to eat healthy, but I don't want to like cause some kind of weird religious conflict to food. And so when you said, I don't tell you all the things that I Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: eat, I was like, Oh God, I'm being one of those weird parents Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah Alyssa Herrera-Set: that drive their child towards weird relationships with food. Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: And so I stopped Nadia Herrera-Set: I mean... Alyssa Herrera-Set: and actually part of that on a side note was contributed to me getting a dog so that I could focus my attention on feeding another animal. Nadia Herrera-Set: That's really funny. I like that had that conversation, probably a text conversation too had that much of an impact. But I don't know. I think it's definitely obviously I don't always I'm not always like I want I don't want you always asking questions about it. But in Greece, when I was studying abroad, I did go to you when I was like, I know I'm eating all these bad things that I don't know. how to like, and I'm being served all these things that I know aren't that healthy and I'm not really sure what they are. And like I didn't, I wasn't sure how to go about that. I don't know, you have to find a balance. I feel like it really depends on the person. And I've also had to always had a really weird relationship with food, because I love, I love food, but being an athlete for a long time and then, I don't know, like having to like. Then when I'm in college and I'm managing my own health with my food, I don't know, it's definitely a struggle. So it helps when someone's like, I guess calling you out, but it really depends on the person. I guess that maybe I was feeling really, maybe you got me on a wrong day, Alyssa Herrera-Set: Thanks Nadia Herrera-Set: on Alyssa Herrera-Set: for Nadia Herrera-Set: a Alyssa Herrera-Set: watching! Nadia Herrera-Set: bad day. Ha ha ha. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Well, it made an impression and resulted in our dog. So, yeah. Nadia Herrera-Set: So in the end it was good. Alyssa Herrera-Set: It's funny Nadia Herrera-Set: Hehehe Alyssa Herrera-Set: that you don't remember because I've told the other parents this story multiple times about that cow when you put me in Nadia Herrera-Set: Hey Alyssa Herrera-Set: check, but you don't remember. So going back to that original parent Nadia Herrera-Set: That's Alyssa Herrera-Set: that I Nadia Herrera-Set: funny. Alyssa Herrera-Set: was talking about, she is a her daughter to send her pictures of her food every day. like what she's eating. Nadia Herrera-Set: Like, is she in the dorm? Oh, cause she's a first, she's a freshman. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Yeah, she's a freshman. Nadia Herrera-Set: So she's Alyssa Herrera-Set: So, Nadia Herrera-Set: only eating at the dorm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: and I don't know, I think that I think that's all that could potentially all contribute to some potentially unhealthy relationship with food and unhealthy relationship between Nadia Herrera-Set: right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: parent and child. But I here's where Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: you like draw the line again. So I you the other thing that happened this week was you got really excited because I sent you an air fryer. Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Because I wanted Nadia Herrera-Set: I love it. Alyssa Herrera-Set: to encourage you to eat Nadia Herrera-Set: Heh. Alyssa Herrera-Set: vegetables. Nadia Herrera-Set: Oh, and I sent you a picture of it. Alyssa Herrera-Set: You sent me a picture of it. The text that you sent me was so cute. You're like, guys, she's here. It's like a picture of your air fryer, which it made me happy to make you happy. Nadia Herrera-Set: I was really excited. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Yeah. But- Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: I had said to you, I will get you an air fryer if you send me a picture every time you're eating air fried Nadia Herrera-Set: Oh, Alyssa Herrera-Set: broccoli, Nadia Herrera-Set: mm-hmm. Vegetables. Alyssa Herrera-Set: vegetables. Nadia Herrera-Set: Well, okay, I feel like there's a difference between that and the story that you were saying before. Because when I sent you the pictures, because, well, I sent you a picture of my vegetables the other day and they didn't look good and I thought it was funny, so like I wanted to send it, but also to be like, look, I did it. I feel like there's a difference between me doing it on my own terms versus someone asking me to do it. I feel like if you were in that mom's position, you asked me to send a picture of my food every day, I'd like two things. One, I would send you the picture of the food and like... like perfect it basically. Like I wanna make sure that you're looking at something that you want me to be eating. And so then I'm going around the dining hall and I'm like, I want that. But if I send a picture of that, I'm gonna get in trouble. Or like, not that I'm gonna get in trouble, but like she's gonna say something. And two, after Alyssa Herrera-Set: So is Nadia Herrera-Set: doing Alyssa Herrera-Set: it helpful? Nadia Herrera-Set: that, Alyssa Herrera-Set: Is Nadia Herrera-Set: I Alyssa Herrera-Set: that Nadia Herrera-Set: feel Alyssa Herrera-Set: a good Nadia Herrera-Set: like it's Alyssa Herrera-Set: thing? Nadia Herrera-Set: a type of thing of like, it is a good thing, but then also it's like, You I well, I don't know. I'm not an expert, but I always tell myself like everything in moderation. So I'm telling myself I can never, ever, ever eat pizza ever again. Like, that's not necessarily. Like it, that's not necessarily something that has to happen. It's you don't want it every day, but it's not something you can never have. But I think another thing that. What might happen is... like her eating or me in this situation eating food, but not sending a picture of it, you know, like, Alyssa Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm, like hiding. Nadia Herrera-Set: and then whatever food I spend on my own money or outside or whatever, even still in the dining hall is gonna be an act of like, I'm just gonna rebel against whatever healthy food I've been being told to eat every day. I don't know, but maybe she looks. I don't know, maybe her daughter likes it like that. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Right. It's like this bounce, like, on the one hand, it's cute because you have like this supportive relationship and you're staying in contact. Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: On the other hand, it's like over surveilling, you know, like, is that a word? Surveilling? Like, too Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah, Alyssa Herrera-Set: much Nadia Herrera-Set: yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: helicopter parenting, you know? I feel like we have such Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: an opportunity to get so much in your business. Like we can see pictures of everything on Instagram. We can follow you on Find My or Life360 or wherever I'm following you on. We Nadia Herrera-Set: Ah... Alyssa Herrera-Set: get messages when you make purchases. So I know exactly where Nadia Herrera-Set: Hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: you're purchasing things. Like when I asked you if you bought some healthy snacks at the liquor store. And then... Nadia Herrera-Set: She's exposing me. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Or you did though, right? You bought nuts and, um, like some dried fruit at the liquor store? Nadia Herrera-Set: Yep. Yes. Alyssa Herrera-Set: And we see everything. It's a little bit much, you know, like, Nadia Herrera-Set: Mmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: or maybe that's just the Nadia Herrera-Set: Right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: way life is. But it seems like a bit much. Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah, it is a lot. I feel, I don't know. A lot of things, but for me, a lot of these things that you just said happen without like my, like that's just gonna, like I can't do anything about it cause that's on your end. I can't Alyssa Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Nadia Herrera-Set: like take my phone off of your find my iPhone and I can't like stop you from getting text messages when I buy things. And I mean, I don't know. Those things are good, but I can't control it. I feel like, but maybe that's just like your style of parenting, but I'm like fine with it because there's no way, I feel like there's no way I can like change that. And it's Alyssa Herrera-Set: Yeah. Nadia Herrera-Set: not like I'm doing anything wrong. So Alyssa Herrera-Set: Well, you don't know any Nadia Herrera-Set: I don't Alyssa Herrera-Set: different. Nadia Herrera-Set: really, Alyssa Herrera-Set: You don't know Nadia Herrera-Set: it's Alyssa Herrera-Set: what Nadia Herrera-Set: not Alyssa Herrera-Set: it was Nadia Herrera-Set: like, Alyssa Herrera-Set: like Nadia Herrera-Set: I Alyssa Herrera-Set: to Nadia Herrera-Set: don't Alyssa Herrera-Set: be, Nadia Herrera-Set: really have anything to hide. Alyssa Herrera-Set: right? You don't know what it's like to be like, because Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: when I was in my 20s, my parents had no idea where I was or what I was doing. And so Nadia Herrera-Set: Right, Alyssa Herrera-Set: your generation Nadia Herrera-Set: right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: has, this is all you know is your parents being able Nadia Herrera-Set: But Alyssa Herrera-Set: to see Nadia Herrera-Set: then, Alyssa Herrera-Set: wherever you are. Nadia Herrera-Set: yeah, and you grew up like that with your parents not knowing where you were. It's just like. uh, something that changed over the Alyssa Herrera-Set: Thank Nadia Herrera-Set: years, Alyssa Herrera-Set: you. Nadia Herrera-Set: but probably for the better. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Maybe. OK, one last topic, which we only have a couple of minutes, but so this might have to go on to another episode. Do you Nadia Herrera-Set: Okay. Alyssa Herrera-Set: see people, friends, with disordered eating habits or disordered eating that you're concerned about? And what do you do about that? Nadia Herrera-Set: Well, recently, no. I think it's just not necessarily disordered eating, but ways of thinking. Like you want to, just, I don't know. It's hard to think about what's healthy for you when you're like getting your food from the dining hall. And now for us as second years, like starting to make your own food. It's... hard to make that decision if we don't really have all the information about like the nutrition and like what's actually really bad for you and what's really good for you. I don't know. I don't it's not like anyone that I see not eating or eating not like not enough of what they should be. It's more like avoiding certain foods or I don't know. Oh, like I can't get up and get seconds at the dining hall because it's gonna, like everyone's gonna judge me. I've Alyssa Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Nadia Herrera-Set: personally felt that. I don't know, it's like maybe that's an internal thing. I still go up and I get more food, but it's Alyssa Herrera-Set: Thank Nadia Herrera-Set: like Alyssa Herrera-Set: you. Nadia Herrera-Set: people are gonna see me getting more food and be like, why, like she already had food. Why is she still hung? Like it's like a whole bunch of things, but maybe that's because like I'm surrounded by girls. guys Alyssa Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Nadia Herrera-Set: obviously think differently, they're gonna eat whatever they want and get out. Like I've seen guys with like piles of food and they don't they don't care. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Thanks for watching! Nadia Herrera-Set: But I don't know, it's hard as I feel like it's always gonna be hard but Alyssa Herrera-Set: I mean, I remember Nadia Herrera-Set: especially Alyssa Herrera-Set: actually Nadia Herrera-Set: in the dining Alyssa Herrera-Set: being Nadia Herrera-Set: hall. Alyssa Herrera-Set: in PT school. And one of the first lunches that I had in PT school, we all like ate inside our classroom. And Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: there's 30 people in my class, the majority of them were eating healthy foods, like cut up bell peppers and like salads. And I straight had a burger Nadia Herrera-Set: Mm-hmm. Alyssa Herrera-Set: in like the styrofoam box thing. And I was like, all of a sudden feeling really self-conscious because you know, I am a- Nadia Herrera-Set: Hehehehe... Alyssa Herrera-Set: future healthcare professional and amongst Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. Alyssa Herrera-Set: the specific healthcare professionals that care about like, you know, nutrition and fitness, and they're all eating healthy foods and I was eating Nadia Herrera-Set: Right, Alyssa Herrera-Set: a burger and Nadia Herrera-Set: right. Alyssa Herrera-Set: fries, I definitely like felt all of a sudden self conscious. So it doesn't end, I guess. Nadia Herrera-Set: Yeah. They Alyssa Herrera-Set: Um Nadia Herrera-Set: just want to put up a front then. Nobody really likes bell peppers. Alyssa Herrera-Set: I've grown to like bell peppers and fresh ones, not cooked ones in my later years. Nadia Herrera-Set: I can't understand it, but it's okay. Alyssa Herrera-Set: Okay, well, nice talking to you. Until next week. Nadia Herrera-Set: Nice talking to you too. Bye.

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Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Hey, Nadia.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hello.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Hello. So now you're in Boston, and I'm back in the Bay Area, or still here in the Bay Area. And it's your first week of your second year of college,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Northeastern. How are you doing?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

I'm good. I feel like I'm getting back in my school groove. I was here pretty recently, so I feel like nothing has really changed going back to normal. It's just really extremely hot outside, but I have AC, so it's okay.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

You're so lucky that you have air conditioning.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah, really, really lucky. It is like 99% humidity outside. in 90 degrees so really not the most comfortable situation if you don't have a cool room.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

That's terrible, actually. That sounds terrible to me. But does that mean that most of you guys are staying indoors most of the day?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

For the most part yeah, unless you want to go like actually roast outside a lot of my friends will take Will come to our room since we have the AC

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Does every room in your building have air conditioning?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

In my building, yeah, but not all the dorms. So not all the buildings, but in my building they do.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Oh my gosh, you are so lucky. So

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

you were saying that you feel like things are back to normal because you're back in your dorms. And I'm curious, now that it's your second year of school, are you feeling like school is home? And when you come home to us, to the family, that's like a

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

trip away?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Um, I feel like I'm in that transition. It doesn't quite feel like that yet, but I definitely think that it will. I just, I think it's easier to be here than home for like, I don't know, like for having a schedule kind of purpose. Because when I'm home, I'm not, I'm not really doing anything. And it's kind of up to me to like decide my day, but when I'm at school, like I have class, I have this, I have... I'm going to the gym, I'm eating dinner, I have like a meeting. So in that way it feels like a little bit easier to manage but that doesn't mean I have a way busier schedule.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm. So as far as your schedule, you're mostly going to school. Are you planning on working this semester?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

I had a job last semester and over the summer when I was here over the summer and I'm I was considering it. I feel like I may not go back. I worked at a grocery store which is like a pretty easy job. It's not very like intense and I'm kind of doing my own thing the whole time. I'm not really talking to anybody else except for customers. But I do feel like an urge to kind of make a person for myself at Northeastern itself. And if I have a job, that means that I probably won't have the time to like go to certain club meetings or go to the gym with my friends and meet new people at the gym or like go to an event that has been hosted on campus. So, I'm still deciding, but we'll

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Yeah,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

see.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

make money versus make kind of like memories or find a community, a larger community or be part of the larger community at Northeastern. Yeah,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right,

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

so go ahead.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

and I feel like... Well, I was just going to say, like, I obviously need the money, but I will be going on co-op next semester. So in that sense, if I just save my money now, like if I don't necessarily need to be spending a lot of money, it's just good to have like the extra stuff. But I don't know. I'll see.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I guess for our listeners, in case they don't know what co-op means, why don't you describe what it is?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

So I go to Northeastern and a big part of Northeastern is this co-op program where most students will do two in their four or five years in college. And it's basically like a six-month internship. And most people do it at a company or a hospital or whatever it has to do with your major, but it'll be in Boston, but you can't do it abroad or. in a different state, you just have to kind of go against, I think, I haven't, well, I haven't actually started my co-op class yet, but I think there's like a website, I don't know, some sort of thing that helps you put together a resume and your applications and apply to all these different places. But if you're going to another state or you want to go abroad, that's. Something you to do on your own and won't necessarily be through Northeastern But yeah, I haven't gone to my first co-op class yet Which will like teach

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

preparing.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

me about the process so I can probably talk about it at a later date

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Yeah, I got actually like chills as you listened or as you said it, I got not chills. I didn't get chills. I got like butterflies in my stomach as you were talking about it. I'm super excited

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

to do all of those things. I think because I know that throughout high school you didn't have a lot of work experience because you spent 20 hours a week doing gymnastics and

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I'm excited that experience while you're kind of like a little bit sheltered as a student, you know, and

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

so that when you come out of school you're going to have like resume, things to put on your resume and hopefully those experiences

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right. Exactly.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

will help you figure out what you want to do after college. I'm really,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hmm

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

actually as we were talking about it, even more excited about it than I was like, you know, when you were starting school so that's really cool.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right. Yeah, it'll help me like either decide what I want to do or what I know I don't want to do, which is kind of helpful because I'm kind of in this stage of I really don't know. So we'll see.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Right. Okay, so as far as finding yourself as a Northeastern student,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I'm thinking that this semester is different for you compared to last semester because your first year of college was going directly to Greece instead of the Northeastern Boston campus. And so... going abroad as an 18-year-old is just a task in itself. And so that took up a lot of time. And also wanting to find community and a home for yourself in Greece was not really necessary because you knew you were only going to be there for three or four months. So

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right, right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

now that you're settling into Boston, what kinds of things are you doing? to find community at Boston.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Well, what I really think like the transition made, well, starting from Greece, like you said, it was hard. It wasn't really like we were gonna make ourselves like find a community in Greece because we were only there for three months. It was more like try to get comfortable and take advantage of like the opportunities that you have before like, it gets harder to do that. And then I feel like last semester, the spring semester of last year, I definitely, there were a lot of times in Greece where I didn't feel really comfortable or I felt like a combination of like homesick and just like being in a new country. So I think me and probably a lot of my friends too, like took last semester to kind of like feel settled and comfortable and like fine, like really spend time with the friends that we made in Greece. And we try. I personally tried to join clubs and stuff during that semester, but I feel like I tried for those few months just to get used to being a college student in the United States, in the school that I'm going to be at for the next four years or five years. So joining clubs and going to club meetings almost felt like... like an extra thing that I didn't want to do. So it would kind of take like, wouldn't be the biggest priority in the sense that I would like want to go to dinner with my friends at the dining hall or go to the gym in place of going to that club meeting. Cause it kind of felt like I'd be missing out on something if I was going to that club. But I think coming to campus this semester, definitely have a new perspective just because like I feel more comfortable on campus and my friends have like friend group and like that's kind of settled down and I am a lot more interested, me and my friends, are a lot more interested in getting really into all the clubs that we're interested in. And so before school started, school started on Wednesday, and today's Friday, so I've only had three days of school. But before that, on Tuesday, there was a club fair, and with like literally every single, I'm assuming almost every club on campus. So there was a lot of different tables to go to, there was a lot of people, it was very crowded. And although it was... I guess mostly for the freshmen. I took the time to go with my friends just to kind of like reintroduce myself to the clubs that are on campus and also to see like if there were clubs that I missed and Because we did have a club fair like that last semester

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

in January

Nadia Herrera-Set:

But it was indoors

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

when you moved into Boston in January.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

What'd you say?

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

When you moved into Boston in January, there was a club fair for people settling in

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah,

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

January.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

there was a club fair. Yeah, it was just, it was indoors, it was really cold. So, and this one was outdoors, so, and we were spread out all through campus. So, if you can imagine, like all these different clubs crammed into like, I mean, a big building, but like, it was just really crowded and very overwhelming. So, it wasn't necessarily like... I guess you wouldn't have found all the clubs you wanted to go to because it was a very overwhelming experience. But this time it was overwhelming, but because it was hot and there was still a lot of people, but I was able to go to a whole different bunch of tables. It was just interesting to see the different groups of people on campus. Talked to a lot of people that are really passionate about their club and what they do, so that was really fun. And I think that I haven't gone to like a first club meeting yet, but it should be fun.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I seem to remember in college, which was so many years ago, that sometimes when you would approach a club table, it was really clear that the people that were all there together telling you about their club were friends with each other. And if you're lucky enough, you go to a club table with one of your friends, so you feel kind of safe and confident. But you know

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right,

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

you're walking

Nadia Herrera-Set:

right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

into somebody else's home or somebody else's friend group. And you're almost saying, hi, tell me about your club. And can I be friends with you? And it's kind of this awkward moment where you know that they're checking out to see if you would be someone that they'd be excited to welcome into their club. And

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

you're doing the same thing, looking

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hooray.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

how they interact with each other. Most like, however you judge a group of people to determine whether or not you would want to hang out with them more, you might be looking at how they talk, what kind of music's playing in the background, what kind of

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

like clothes they're wearing, right? And so like, do you look like them?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

You know, you like whether, yeah, do you look like them by clothing or by just like, you know, your appearance?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

And so it's not

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

just about like the club and what they do, but also about the people that are representing the club.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, what do I think

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

That's

Nadia Herrera-Set:

is...

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

what I remember. Is that a your experience too?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah, I think it's... I think it's definitely the same way now. I think like it's hard because you almost feel like you're going up to the table not to like judge them, but like... I mean making friends in general is hard because you... You're just analyzing every part of that person just to see if you would get... along with them and like not in like a bad way it's just you're gonna look at every part of like at this club where you're gonna look at every part of their table the way that their posters like design the way that they're like decided to approach you um the tone of their voice it's like it's a lot and i think a lot of people felt left the club fair feeling like one like there's a lot of new clubs for me to join but also a little bit of stress and a little bit of like that was really intimidating and I don't know if I'm enjoying but like I ended up talking to one like a pre-med fraternity and also sororities and already like approaching the table like hesitant, very hesitant. It was definitely like very intimidating talking to people that are obviously very passionate about their sorority or their frat. So I think, yeah, I feel like that experience is a universal experience on college

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Yeah,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

campuses.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

it's almost like you're looking at them going, oh my gosh, you're so passionate about this. Is that going to be me? Like, can I be this passionate about what you're

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

talking about? Do I want to be that person? Yeah.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

But I guess you got to understand that that's their job at the table is to give you the positive stuff

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

and show their enthusiasm. Because it would be weird to say, I love this club, but also here are some things that I don't like about it. You know, like you have no choice but to...

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

kind of be really enthusiastic about it when you're

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

working the table. So what is the timeline on that? Like, are you, now that there's been a club fair and like, how does that work? So there's a club fair, do you give them your email address? Do you follow them on Instagram? Like what

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Um...

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

process of like, now that you've seen the clubs, what happens next?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Uh, yeah, so a lot

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Thanks for

Nadia Herrera-Set:

of

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

watching!

Nadia Herrera-Set:

them had interest forms where you put your email down and your name. Um, Instagram handles were there too. It's just like harder to, it's easier to just write your name down and have them contact you rather than like you find them. But they definitely put their social media out. Um, I'm not sure if any clubs have had their first meeting yet, but I know that- on Monday, this next Monday, I have like three different, maybe four different meetings that are also around the same time of, no, it's three meetings on Monday, one meeting on Tuesday, of different clubs, of their first meeting, which is, I guess, maybe not necessarily getting right into things, which is introducing the club, so. Next week is definitely going to be like the start of it all. But most of the clubs meet once a week. They all have like a faculty advisor and they meet like in some, not, um, not usually like a classroom classroom, but there are like, I guess makeshift classrooms in some of the, um, dorm buildings. Uh, so they'll have. they'll be there or actually I don't know, maybe in the library. But yeah, so after next week, I'll probably be at a few different club meetings a week, but we'll see.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

do they provide some other incentive to get you there? We're going to provide food or are some people incentivized because they're like,

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Um...

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

oh, I really like that faculty advisor. I want to join the club because I want to do research with that faculty advisor. I imagine there's the club and what the club does, and then there's the

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

people. Do you want to be friends with them? Then there's the faculty advisor.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right. The faculty advisor isn't always like, um,

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Hands

Nadia Herrera-Set:

what's

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

on.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

the word? Like promoted. Like they don't usually, I don't know if they, I, that's not like the first thing you look at, but later on that could be a reason why you keep going to the club, um, as far as like food, sometimes they give you food. Um, but. I think they're kind of betting on the fact that someone's gonna go if they really want to go. And so it's kind of like weeding people out, you know what I mean? And sometimes

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

you like write your name on an interest form but you don't really want to go. So if... I think based... Like, I don't know. It's like a... un... just like unsaid like kind of weeding out process

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

happens over the course of a few days, but yeah

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

All right, I'm excited to find out what you end up joining. And this whole conversation about finding your place in Northeastern is kind of like I'm doing my own community finding.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I definitely have my community of friends and workmates and things like that. But recently, I've been thinking about the idea of throwing a retreat. And in the process of developing a retreat, one of my steps

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

is to participate in a retreat. And I find myself kind of like you at the club fair. Like I look at this website of the retreat and think to myself, wow, that they sound really into this exploration they're doing. I don't know if

Nadia Herrera-Set:

right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I'm gonna really fit in, you know? Like we are going to talk about our feelings and our goals and we're going to, you know, whatever it is that the retreat offers, whatever vibe it is, like, you know, get in touch with Earth, with nature or find community amongst other women or whatever it is. I feel like slightly hesitant.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Like, do I want to be a part of that?

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right,

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

It's like a little

Nadia Herrera-Set:

right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

bit scary because you feel like you're about to like dive into something that you're not sure

Nadia Herrera-Set:

you're

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

you're

Nadia Herrera-Set:

unsure

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

going to like.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

about. Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

So there's that. And I'm also like, I was inspired by a podcast that I listened to a couple days ago. There's a podcast. Oh my gosh, I can't remember the name now. But I listened to it because Lucy. your younger sister, is her podcast

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

is, she's going to have an interview on there. And I listened

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Uh huh.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

to the first episode and it was about a person that was interviewed was a professor, Dr. Allison Tintiangco-Cubales. And the person that was interviewing her was a student that she had 20 years ago.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hmm

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

one of the most significant impacts that the professor had on the student was to help that student feel like they were part of a greater community where her

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

interests and um and her just herself was welcome where she didn't necessarily feel that um prior or she was looking for that and so

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Think about how somebody 20 years later still remembers the impact somebody made on them. And that specific impact

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

was like belonging, right? And a feeling

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Hmm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

of belonging. And so I'm hoping for you to find that. And I feel like you're lucky in that for the past three years, maybe students didn't get that as much because of

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right, right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

the COVID restrictions. was a little bit harder to

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Mm.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

find opportunities to interact with students face to face.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Totally.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

So you could get tasks done.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

You could fulfill the goals of a club, but you didn't really get to be with other humans in person as much. So

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

I think it's really great that you get to do that.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

like clubs and retreats. I'm not really even sure how it all worked over COVID, but I, thinking about how I felt during that time, which is very different from being in college, but like I would, I feel like if I was a college student at that time, I would feel less inclined to go to club meetings and all this stuff, because one, meeting on Zoom isn't very personal. You're not really getting to know people. is easier to like multitask and not really pay attention. It's just not, it's not the same. So yeah, I wouldn't, I feel bad. I feel bad for the students that had to go through that. But I think that in the past, last year and this year, I think it's kind of making up for the, I guess those who were in college in 2020. So. Like I think they get to live what they didn't get to have before.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Mm-hmm. One last question, which is probably not the greatest place to end, so maybe it'll bring us to someplace else. I'm picturing you at this club fair, and you're so lucky that you were with your friends, like

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Right.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

friends that you made in Greece. And I'm wondering if there

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

were people walking around without a friend group looking kind of like a little bit lost and maybe uncomfortable and trying

Nadia Herrera-Set:

I

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

to

Nadia Herrera-Set:

mean...

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

find a place for themselves.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

There were definitely people like that there. I wasn't necessarily paying attention. You know, there was just a lot of people. There was always someone at a table on your front, like that you were looking at, like most tables were just full. So if you were by yourself, it's easy to like, it was easy to do it, like, I guess secretly. I don't know if that's the right word, but like. If you didn't want to really be noticed but still want to try to make friends It wasn't like very obvious that oh they're walking by themselves and they're trying to find friends because they haven't like quite made it and any yet and So I think I don't know. I guess maybe it was the way that it was outside there's I mean, there's a lot of kids like in Northeastern, so it's easy to blend into the crowd a little bit and also easy to introduce yourself to other people because go up to a table they're gonna be like oh hi my name is Balbala and you can be like next to someone that you don't know at that table, introduce yourself to them, that sort of thing but yeah there's definitely people that like try to find friends through that and I honestly probably feel like that's like the best way to do it is through the clubs and like the club meetings so.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

All right, well, have a good weekend. And I'm not sure if we're gonna talk about it next week, but at some point I'd love to hear about

Nadia Herrera-Set:

We'll

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

how it's

Nadia Herrera-Set:

see.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

going with the clubs. All right.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Yeah, I can give update and a co-op update once I finally go to my first class, but yeah.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

All right. If you've made it this far, thank you for listening. I hope that was interesting, helpful. I guess it was a good topic for maybe incoming freshmen to listen to at some point.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Totally.

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

All right.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

Okay, bye

Alyssa Herrera-Set:

Bye.

Nadia Herrera-Set:

guys.

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