Overwhelm, Anxiety, Hangxiety, and Seeking Therapy
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Sometimes I feel like our talks are all about exposing you and what's going on in your personal life. Sorry in advance.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, it's okay. No, I'm okay with it. I like sharing. Yeah, makes it more personal.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Okay, hopefully it's helpful for other people.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yeah. Okay, so today, because it is end of November, or no, mid November, we're going into Thanksgiving break. And you probably had some midterms coming up. Or just had some midterms. And I have some big news and projects coming up in my life too. And so this has
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
And when sometimes you're so obsessed or worried or nervous about something that you can't literally think or perform the way that you want to, or your whole life is filtered with some kind of panic haze.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I that is something that I, as you know, I've struggled with that for a long time. And it like because I'm the type of person to just get stressed out really easily over like the littlest things.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Does that resonate with you at all?
Nadia Herrera-Set
And yeah, it is Thanksgiving break. We had midterms like at the, before Halloween, but that doesn't mean like the tests stopped. So like I've had like a bunch of like projects and tests before Thanksgiving break, and then I'll have finals before I go home.
Um, so yeah, it's stressful. It's also like starting to get cold and I haven't been home in a while. So it's, it's just a lot and everyone, everyone feels like they need a break.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yeah. So have you ever like been in the middle of a test and felt panic, like you couldn't figure out the answer and all of a sudden you were worried?
Nadia Herrera-Set
Um, I mean, in a general sense of like, as like just not knowing the answer. Yeah. But I would say that my test anxiety doesn't usually happen during the test. It'll happen like the night before, meaning like I'm studying the night before. Um, and that's when it feels like I just stay up all night and I have to like do all of this right now.
because either I don't know it or I've like procrastinated too long. So like that's when like the panic attacks and like anxiety sets in. But while I'm taking the test, I mean, yeah, if it's a hard question, I'm going to like get nervous. But I feel like I don't have that type of test anxiety, which I'm fortunate not to have, because I feel like
It really, it really hurts people when they have to, when their grade depends on this like one thing. But I would say that does only apply for me in school because I do get performance anxiety when I'm like competing and that could also happen, and that could happen during competition, like during a routine.
Alyssa Herrera-Set (
Mm-hmm.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
So do you like, well, okay, let's take a step back. So the night before a test, you're worried because you've procrastinated or you feel like you don't know the material enough and you say that you get like anxious. What does that look like? Like, how do you respond to that? And how does that feel inside you?
Nadia Herrera-Set
So it depends.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Um, I'm, I get very panicky. I feel like I can't do anything but like study for the test. Like I can't take any breaks and I can't, like, I need to stay up late. Even if I have to wake up early so that I can finish it. And like, I don't know, it can get to the point where I just feel like so overwhelmed that I feel like crying or like, I, this just happened.
on Tuesday. No, yeah, on Tuesday. And I stayed in a library for 10 hours. And I only left to get food. And I mean, that doesn't mean I was like, working, working like the entire time, but I was in that library for 10 hours. And
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Hehehehe
Nadia Herrera-Set
I don't know, that's not very healthy at all, but that's what my anxiety tells me to do. I need to like, I can't sleep, I can't do anything else.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
So it's one thing to like take that situation and go, I need to study, so like I need to do well on this test. So I have to be in the library for 10 hours. It's almost like a punishment or a prescription or something like that. So that's one thing versus another feeling, which might be like you can't think about anything else. You can't eat.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
All right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
you cannot literally fall asleep because you're thinking so much about the test. So that's why you're in the library. You know what I mean? So is it more like you've prescribed 10 hours in the library for yourself or is it more like, well, I can't sleep, I can't have a good time, I can't enjoy anything else, so I might as well be in the library and do that.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah. It's like... yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
No.
Nadia Herrera-Set
I didn't plan on staying in the library for 10 hours. That's just how it happens. And then like really didn't need to happen because I could have just not procrastinated that much. But I just, I don't know, it feels better to me. And then sometimes when you get home late and you still you have to get up and you have to wake up for your tests next morning, then I have like anxiety that I'm not going to wake up in time for the test. So it's like just a whole bunch of things. Um.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
So do you feel like staying up actually helps? Like you're like, oh, it's a good thing I stayed up and barely slept. Or do you feel like you just kind of made things worse by studying for so long that you didn't sleep?
Nadia Herrera-Set
well
Nadia Herrera-Set
I don't regret it because of how I felt during the test. Not that I thought the test went really well, I just feel like if I hadn't done it, I would have felt a lot worse and it would have been really bad. And I've also found recently, this wasn't always the case, I could, I used to be able to wake up early and study and stuff, but now I realize that when I try to wake up early here, I just end up staying in bed and not.
working like I just it just doesn't work in my favor. So staying up late has been is like the better option of the two bad options for me. But I don't know. I don't regret it because the test can have gone a lot worse, but that's not a healthy thing. This is not a healthy study habit.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
be where you.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I mean, have you ever found, this has happened to me. I have found that sometimes when I'm working on something super late at night when I'm tired, it takes me forever. Like I'm trying to write an email to somebody and I just like, my words are just not coming out. I'm so tired that like, it's sometimes like gibberish. And then if I wake up in the morning and try to do that, like finish that task, it can like happen super fast. Like it's like so much easier to do.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
I guess it's like if you're writing something. I could see that, but I was doing organic chemistry. So it was like my brain was already working and I didn't come home because I knew that if I came back to my room that I'd get distracted.
Like that transition when you're studying is not always the best. So I just, and they just remodeled the fourth floor of the library. So it's like all new and exciting with couches and all this stuff. So it's like, like I had a new environment to study in. So that also helped. Um, but yeah, yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
nice.
Okay, so I don't have... I mean, we're lucky to not have too much test anxiety, but I do remember the first moment that I felt panicky during a test. It was weirdly, really specifically during my junior year of high school Spanish final. And I had never felt that before, where all of a sudden it's felt like this, like, wave or wash of... I don't know, like...
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Ugh.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I guess a panic. I don't know how else to call it, but like a wave came over me, like a feeling came over me. And it was just like, it's almost my whole body or like brain and body were like almost like buzzing and in a state of like haziness almost. And I just took a moment to acknowledge it and I was like, whoa, that's weird. And luckily I was able enough to realize what was happening and then wait for it to pass, which it didn't take too long.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
All right.
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
And then I just went on, but I was like, whoa, that's strange. And then the first time, and then when the pandemic happened, or with the start of the pandemic, everything was all unclear. I found myself waking up at like 5 in the morning, like super awake. And I was like, that's weird. I don't need to be awake because I couldn't go to work, right? I was like, oh, that's weird. Am I waking up this early because I just
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I'm so rested because I'm not working. And then I realized, oh, I think that's anxiety waking me up at 5 in the morning. It's like a different color of that wave was over me, just super awake and ready to go. It almost felt good, but then it wasn't good because it was at 5 o'clock in the morning. Have you ever felt that?
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right, yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah. I mean, I feel like, you know, I panic like really quickly and easily. And so maybe like I do have test anxiety, but I feel that in a lot of other situations in my life. So it feels like it feels normal. I would say like,
I'm just like thinking back to my test I just took right now. When I don't know something, I like sit like I'll sit there for a second. If I really don't know it, like I'm just going to either have to come back to it, like guess and put a random answer down or I don't know. And it's and then like when I leave that test, I'll be like stressed out about it. But another thing that I feel like after I left that test is like I feel like I have
blacked out during the test. Like I'll leave and be like, I don't remember anything I did and I don't remember. Can't even look up the questions because I don't remember the questions anymore. But
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Oh, that's never happened to me before. Like you just black out.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, well, it's like I leave the test room and like, suddenly, I don't remember any of the questions I just like wrote. And then I'm like, well, hopefully, you know, hopefully it works out.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Do you eventually remember them, or did they stay out of your head forever?
Nadia Herrera-Set
Um, they, well, they stay out of my head forever. Unless it's like one that I really like wasn't sure about, then like, I guess that one stays in. But, um, with gymnastics, I guess it's a different type of like panic. There's the panic that I felt like when I knew I wasn't prepared and I like had to do something during practice that like...
I don't know. Yeah. And then there's like anxiety before competing. I've also felt like I can do it really well when no one's, this is primarily with gymnastics of like, I can do it really well, something really well, and then like, someone will point it out and everyone will start watching and then I'll like fall on my face. And like, not like a fear of it, like it's actually happened multiple times.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Was scary or you felt like your life was at stake? Your health was at stake?
Nadia Herrera-Set (12:55.188)
Um, like I just like when the pressure's on me, it, it just doesn't work out. And I don't know, but probably because like I put that pressure on my extra pressure on myself to do it really well. But I don't know. I feel that type of panic when I'm competing.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I feel like I was just talking to my colleague, I was talking to Tanya about how some people really thrive and do well in an emergency situation or a kind of stressful situation. And some people kind of just crumble and can't act. And she said about me, she's like, I feel like.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
you, Alisa, can really work well in an emergency situation. If you're my emergency room doc, you'd be OK. And I was like, I don't, I totally don't agree with that. I feel like I wouldn't do well when having to think quickly. But I think the difference, I think she would do well in that kind of situation. But I think the difference for me is there are few situations that I think are stressful and panicky. So then it's
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm.
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
What people think that I flourish well under stress, but I think it's just that I don't interpret a lot of situations as stressful. You know, like, I'm like, this is okay, we're okay here. You know? Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, yeah. Just used to it, yeah. I do not think I work well in like emergency situations and I would not do well in the emergency room because my stress and anxiety can blind my judgment, which I guess is something I should work on, but I can just.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
That's what I think about myself too. It's something I should work on. I'm actually like emergency responder certified. So like I've taken the course so many times, but I say to myself all the time, I would be really bad in that situation. But I wonder if I really like worked on it, because I have the skills, I have the knowledge. I just maybe I need to be in the situation a lot, and then I'll get better at it or trust myself more. Sometimes you have to have enough like successful.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
um, rounds of something in order to start to feel like, oh, I think I can do this.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. I think another... This is like another form of like panic and anxiety and like a different form is like in social situations.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Mm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
I've like, I've gotten better at it, but I do have a lot of social anxiety and like, there's that type of panic of like when you're with a group of people you don't know, or even with a group of people that you do know, and you like, you like say something or you don't know what to say, then you like sit there and you're like, wait, I shouldn't have said that or like, I don't belong here. So what am I doing here? There's I've, I mean, especially in college, obviously, like I felt that a lot. So
there's that type of like panic I'm gonna run away and like, I don't know.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yeah, that's interesting. So your dad and I were talking about how, now I'm going to expose him, he can't be here to defend himself. How he can be like, so his social anxiety sometimes shows up before an event, before he goes someplace, he's not necessarily looking forward to it, trying to think about who's going to be there, what are their names?
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
He's strategizing ahead of time how he's going to manage the situation. I'm usually kind of optimistic about the situation, and I just kind of go into it. But then sometimes after, I kind of perseverate or think a long time about the things that I said to people while I was at the party. And should I have said that differently? And what kind of impression did I leave? And second guessing. So I would, is that like, that's not really in like post?
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
like.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
event anxiety? I don't know what that's called.
Nadia Herrera-Set
It's just social anxiety. Your anxiety over... Yeah. Um, I think like...
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Social regret.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, that's something I really had to work on and I feel like it wasn't something that I wanted to work on but in College, I feel like at home I don't know. Maybe i'm just like making assumptions. But like when I was at when I'm at home account my friends at home are more Outgoing than more extroverted than I am. Whereas like my friends I feel like um
I feel like when I'm with my friends that I've made at Northeastern, I've made a lot of friends that are like me, which is really nice, but then that means when we're in certain situations, and you have to go talk to someone, or you have to, I don't know, be the first one to walk to a door. I end up being the one to do it, so I've forced myself to... I don't know if it's to be more confident or just to not care.
Maybe they go hand in hand. But I'll feel like a lot of anxiety beforehand and then like, wait I shouldn't have done that. Um, or in the morning after. Like the morning after I go out is probably the worst ever.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
You're like laying in bed thinking about all the things you did and said.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, it's called anxiety and I...
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Oh, I've never heard of that term. Hang-xiety.
Nadia Herrera-Set
I... well I suffer from it really badly.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Well, that's a whole other thing, though. When you're intoxicated and not thinking clearly and acted in ways that you would have if you had, like, full judgment and control, that's a different thing.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah. But it's, it's not even it's that and then also like, when I'm in those situations, it's a social situation where I like try to act more, like confident and like more outgoing than I actually am. So then when I look back at it.
It's like, oh my goodness, I can't believe I did that. But like, it's a normal thing to do, but I just like, talk to someone and I wouldn't have done that if, you know, if I was like at school. Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
There's a beauty about going to college, going away to college, right? Like you get to try on a bunch of different identity and personality outfits. Like today I'm going to be.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, but then when I go home, then I'm like, feel really weird. Like, I'm going home tomorrow and anytime I go home, it just feels really, I don't know how to act. I, it's a really strange feeling. A panicky feeling.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Okay, can we bring up your AP test?
Nadia Herrera-Set
No, we can't. We actually can't. Well, actually I have told other people, I can... I don't even know. I don't even know what I'm... What I... Like how am I supposed to... Well, anyways, if you took AP tests in 2020, they were online and long story short.
I was really stressed out about it and it was my first AP test, it was AP Euro and I just got really stressed out and it was really bad and I was and then I had to there was some events happened and I had to redo the test because I didn't turn it in and then it was just really bad and I was screaming crying.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Oh my gosh, I had... Okay, first of all, going into the exam, the whole week before, you kept, like, you were so nervous about it. I wasn't sure why, but you were so nervous about this test. I mean, it was a hard time, right? We're talking, was this 2020? No, this was 2021, right? Because the...
Nadia Herrera-Set
for probably hours.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Oh.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Well...
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
No, it was 2020.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Oh, OK. So it was your sophomore year, second semester sophomore year. So we're talking like April, May, or whatever, 2020. Everything's online. Everything is crazy at this time. The whole world is anxious about just the baseline is anxiety. And then you take this, your first AP test. And I don't know what story you had said in your head about the importance of this test to your whole entire life and identity. But there was a whole week of you being so worried about it.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
in a really weird way, because you've always done pretty well in school. So I was like, I wonder why she's so nervous about this test. And she keeps, I was a little bit worried because you kept saying that it was going to be bad. And I would, you know how sometimes they say, if you say it's going to be bad, it's going to be bad. You know, like you're putting that too much of that energy in the universe. So then you go to take the test and you're in your room for however many hours taking the test online. Oh, I'm not supposed to say it. I'm not supposed to say it.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
You can't say everything. It's bad. Well... Hehehehe No, well... I didn't actually say it. It's actually not that bad, but I can't expose myself that much.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Okay, nevermind, I thought you just said it.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Okay, well, long story short, from a mother's point of view, your response after the test was very scary for me to witness.
Nadia Herrera-Set
I panicked.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, I think sophomore year was all like a really that was for a lot of different reasons. That was like a weird time for me, like mentally and emotionally, especially with COVID. And yeah, it's really panicky. The whole first semester like, I guess it's freshman year too.
I was like crying every single gymnastics practice, every single practice I went to I cried. And like, that's not normal. So like it was already like a hard time. And I guess I did have test anxiety then. And from then on it's been like better. But
Alyssa Herrera-Set
What would you say to that freshman Nadia that was crying every day in practice now? Would you be like, it's gonna be okay? Or would you be like, you should stop doing gymnastics now.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Well...
Nadia Herrera-Set
Um, I mean I had the opportunity, I could have left if I, like I could have quit if I wanted to but I didn't. So I don't know if freshman year me would have really wanted to stop, I don't know. I think she needed a break and I think I just took things way too seriously. It was like, that was like my whole life. I guess that's how I felt with like school too. I mean it was my whole life, school and gymnastics. But.
I don't know. I don't really know what I would say to myself in that situation. I just like things weren't working in at practice and so I reacted physically. And I was getting hurt a lot. So
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yeah, maybe actually you weren't eating enough.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Ah, no, I probably was eating enough. I don't know, I was just anxious and stressed.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Sleep, maybe not sleeping enough. I don't know. Now that I hear you talk about it, like, yeah, just stressed. You know, you stopped doing gymnastics at the end of your senior year, and at the rest, around the same time, Lucy stopped too. And she had her own reasons for stopping after the end of her sophomore year. She was saying it wasn't fun anymore. But I wonder if part of her felt like she had to stay at gymnastics to, like, look out for you. Like, if you...
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
could see your sister crying every day at practice, you might be worried and then like think that you should be around just in case.
Nadia Herrera-Set
I wanna...
I wanna be, I wanna bring her on the podcast to ask her. In my opinion, I don't think that's why she stayed. I don't think like, I don't know. We weren't in the same group then. She might like, I don't know, we should ask her, but. I don't know.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
We should bring your coach on and ask her about you crying at every practice.
Nadia Herrera-Set
There.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, I was bad. But, and I also, I tried to see a therapist then too. That's just like, it didn't work for me. I feel like now, like I don't see a therapist now, but if I, now looking back on it, I really approached the therapy as like, in a strange way that like wouldn't have helped me. Like, I don't know. Not that therapy was a failure, that like I didn't approach it in the way that I should have.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Like it was a failure to go to the therapy?
Alyssa Herrera-Set
What was that? How did you approach it and how should you have?
Nadia Herrera-Set
You know, like I feel like, I mean, I don't really remember that much, but like, I don't feel like I probably told her everything. And I also don't feel like, I felt like this is like a one time, like it, you know, I do remember, I think I had like two or three sessions, but like with different people. So I don't know why like, I made, I don't know why I did it like that. It was just.
I don't know. I was, I guess I was a lot, it's a lot different personality wise that I feel like I was a lot less like open to share and now I feel like I just talk and talk and talk so it would be a different experience now.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yeah, I think I told you that my friend said that like, going on this podcast is kind of like, therapy and our podcast is the therapist. It's like, it's like a controlled conversation because we know where it's being recorded.
Nadia Herrera-Set
A little bit.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Um, well, okay, about your therapy that you went to when you were younger, maybe it would have taken just some time to build, like, trust and connection. And I think that you were in a situation where you received care, didn't really promote, like, weekly sessions, because you were...
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Totally. Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I mean, to be specific, you were at a Kaiser HMO, and maybe you weren't seeing somebody that was in an urgent situation. So they prioritized your appointment maybe a little bit less and wanted to encourage you to maybe use the tools that they were helping you in between, and then practice that, and then come back. It's a style that probably works for a lot of people, but maybe didn't work for you at the time.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm. Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, I feel like I definitely didn't. I didn't approach it as like a long-term thing. I approached it as like a one-time thing that is gonna work after one time, which obviously it's not. And I don't know, I feel like being in...
I guess it's probably, it's not because of like the people I turn myself with, but just because it's high school and we don't talk about it that much. But I feel like when I was, like before I came here, I didn't, I wasn't around as many people that did therapy or like, you know, we're on, you know, anxiety, like medication or things like that. But now being in college, I feel like the majority.
of my friends have either seen a therapist or are talking to one. And not because like things are like really terrible, but it's just like, they know that it helps them and they have like a relationship with the person that they're talking to. So it feels like, you know, they can actually get something out of the conversation. Um, so in that way, I feel like maybe my approach to therapy is like, it has changed because I've
Like I'm around more people that like have seen the benefits from it. Um, but there's also like.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
If you needed therapy, like if you wanted to pursue mental health support, would you tell your dad and I ahead of time or would you just go seek it yourself?
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Well, I've had like friends try to go do it at school. They have it at school. But I don't know if it was like the best experience. So I'd probably just ask you guys. I don't really feel, I don't feel like, I don't know. Some people, yeah, unfortunately some people do, but like I feel like I would just ask you because then I could.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
stigma or shame about asking for it.
Nadia Herrera-Set
you know, find one that actually fits me instead of like trying to find a free one on campus, you know, like it's just different. Um, yeah, I don't know. Therapy is good. I don't, I feel like I should. I feel like, I don't know.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yeah, it really, it's a nice thing. Like I didn't seek a lot of therapy before. I don't know if that's just like there wasn't a need or if that wasn't, if it was because there was like stigma attached to it or maybe because of the money associated with it. But then I did see somebody last year. Last year? Yeah, last year. And it was so nice. She was so lovely.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
And it felt really good to talk to somebody that would... Like, people always say, like, I can talk to my friends, I can talk to my family. It's really different to talk to somebody that you're paying to listen to you and that's not part of your life and maybe can say things that make you feel like... Like, their responses make you feel heard, you know? And...
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right, right.
Right, right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I don't know, I didn't see her for very long. It just like, it felt good to do it. And then I recently recommended this therapist to somebody else who also had never seen a therapist. She's a little bit older than me, had never seen a therapist. And she's like, I just, you know, it's so hard to go out there and find somebody. Like, I don't know if I'm gonna find the right fit, blah, blah. I'm like, just see this person, she's really nice. And I saw that person that I recommended the therapist to.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Mm-hmm
Alyssa Herrera-Set
this past week and she's like, oh my God, it's so nice to talk to her. So it felt good to go to therapy, have it feel good and then pass on the permission and information to somebody else to go seek a therapist. And I was so glad that I could give somebody that I thought was a good resource.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, yeah. That is, I don't know. I've never, I have like the amount of like pros that I hear that they're being comparison to like, like one bad experience. I feel like, like everyone should try. But I, it does, yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
That's a good point. Yeah, but it does cost money too, right? So it's like one bad experience plus it costs you, whatever it costs you. It's hard sometimes when like maybe like part of your, the reason why you need some support is because you're having some financial issues, you know? It's, yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Right.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Right. Yeah. It's also hard, especially with like being in college. It's like, I feel like, well, but I mean...
I guess maybe in when I tried to go to therapy before it didn't really, I wasn't really open with everything that was happening. Also because like, I just felt like whatever I was feeling wasn't really that like whatever was like causing my anxiety wasn't that valid. And so you ended like not sharing as much which and now in college, like you don't want to have to tell your therapist like all these things. So then you just end up like, I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna see him anymore. I'm not gonna see her anymore.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
I mean, maybe that's why it takes time, because it takes time to get to the point where you're like, all right, fine, I'm just gonna tell you the things.
Nadia Herrera-Set
because like, yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah, but...
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Anyway, I'm glad you're managing your panic and anxiety and overwhelm in a relatively productive way in a way that's working for you right now. But if you do need mental health support, yeah, you know, you can tell your dad and I.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Yeah.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Alright, nice talking to you. That was a long one. It just flowed.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Nice talking to you too. Yeah. And I'll see you literally tomorrow.
Alyssa Herrera-Set
Yay. All right, bye.
Nadia Herrera-Set
Okay, bye.
